FPM in the long run

[sarhay]

[quote=Salome;821555]

Yes, and his theory about the "iron law of oligarchy".

That's what i thought Oligarchy is probably applied in most arab countried but without one important factor, ACCOUNTABILITY of the leadership. y3ani we even outsmart Robert Michels and mutated his political parties theories to our leader benefits.

Sadly we can not say Lebanon developed such mechanism, it has become rather a failing state as a result of its many failing leaders.

Indeed Ya Salome. hopefully we'll see some changes in the political practice in Lebanon, lead probably by FPM and then others will compete with FPM and improve their politics as well. People need to take the driving seat without their supports the Lebanese polticiains we'll not see the light of the day in policy making. take care.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by True Lebanese

I tend to agree with most of what has been said here on the issue. The FPM needs to get organised and structured.

We also need 3 elections whil GMA is still with us Allah iy khalilna yeh....and we need 3 FPM leaders to to be elected while GMA is still with us and GMA takes on and advisory or Godfather of the Party type position.

This will train the Lebanese mindset to accept wins and defeats in election processes.

My biggest fear in the Lebanese mentality is that if there are internal party elections, the people who lose will not be as active and may even splinter.

There is another fear on the long run. Will GMA's personal cult lead to the destruction of the party?
I know for many it is a clear issue, they are FPMers in first hand and not Aouniyyeh. Still for many FPM is equal to GMA. This is very destructive on the long run, and threatens the party's survival, especially that there is no real leadership development within the party for the younger generations.
The chances of survival of FPM in Lebanon in general, and christians in particular are anyhow low, nevertheless the GMA-cult is not helping to it. As GMA was never a zaim.

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by Salome

There is another fear on the long run. Will GMA's personal cult lead to the destruction of the party?
I know for many it is a clear issue, they are FPMers in first hand and not Aouniyyeh. Still for many FPM is equal to GMA. This is very destructive on the long run, and threatens the party's survival, especially that there is no real leadership development within the party for the younger generations.
The chances of survival of FPM in Lebanon in general, and christians in particular are anyhow low, nevertheless the GMA-cult is not helping to it. As GMA was never a zaim.

When GMA disappears, the leaders of the party will go on with preserving the party. Internal elections will be held, and a leader will emerge! The party will move from a populist, charismatic and personal cult party to a "professional" party with leaders that have had no part in the war! Just like all other parties will in the futures. Only our party is built against corruption, for good governance and for coexistence, while the others were built as a political wing for militias!

I believe the party will remain, because there is a will to change things! If anything should change, it is the popularity of FPM! Many people who dislike Aoun, have nothing against FPM as a party, nor its members. The party will attract even more partisans! All independents will join FPM, because it is the only modern party in Lebanon!

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dodzi

When GMA disappears, the leaders of the party will go on with preserving the party. Internal elections will be held, and a leader will emerge! The party will move from a populist, charismatic and personal cult party to a "professional" party with leaders that have had no part in the war! Just like all other parties will in the futures. Only our party is built against corruption, for good governance and for coexistence, while the others were built as a political wing for militias!

I believe the party will remain, because there is a will to change things! If anything should change, it is the popularity of FPM! Many people who dislike Aoun, have nothing against FPM as a party, nor its members. The party will attract even more partisans! All independents will join FPM, because it is the only modern party in Lebanon!

i'm not so sure about the green part especially if the election process isn't started b4 GMA dies. the sooner the better i say to vote.
it would be great to see GMA go to political retirement in the future and leave behind a healthy working party than to see him die and leave behind a mess.

as for the blue part, yeah the party will survive (regardless of size) and indeed some ppl have a personal problem against GMA and not FPM.

[Dry Ice]

IMO, FPM internal elections will not happen before 2009 parliamentary elections..

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

as for the blue part, yeah the party will survive (regardless of size) and indeed some ppl have a personal problem against GMA and not FPM.

Those who have personal problems against GMA are minor in number compared to those who suffer in deliberate blindness. We have to target these people rather, as this kind of blindness is curable.

[freelebanonn]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

IMO, FPM internal elections will not happen before 2009 parliamentary elections..

that is obvious.fpm is facing alot of internal problems and its riskiy to do an internal election before the general election in 2009.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Salome

Those who have personal problems against GMA are minor in number compared to those who suffer in deliberate blindness. We have to target these people rather, as this kind of blindness is curable.

yeah, but speaking as a free fpmer supporter who seriously admires GMA, i can safely say that GMA repels are much ppl as he attracts also.

i know he is straightforward and that is the trait i like the most about him, but darn does he instigate some strife on the other camp with some things he says.
small things that are not worth the bother imo.

even though he is under a propaganda campaign of divine proportions that is targeting him from FM precisely with its endless misquotes, false details and out of context logic, GMA still isn't wary that some things he says galvanize the most of the edgy sunni street against him and ticks off most of the press (which btw i dont consider professional press to start with).

i don't get it, i agree with his logic but i don't always agree with the way he says it although it "feels" good for me to hear it.

i bit of political tact won't kill us sometimes hehe

but i don't blame his speech for getting on the nerves of the pro-harriri/church/U.S christian population, i know these ppl well, they just hate him to death for not following their own leaders/ideas.
i know many of them who hate him just because he didn’t start a war with hizbullah after he came back to Lebanon.. hopeless..

[shadow1]

Originally Posted by Salome

Those who have personal problems against GMA are minor in number compared to those who suffer in deliberate blindness. We have to target these people rather, as this kind of blindness is curable.

I command you for calling people who disagree with you just blind and not traitors and it's even better that you offered to cure them rather than cut their heads off.
What country do you live in?

[Salome]

Originally Posted by shadow1

I command you for calling people who disagree with you just blind and not traitors and it's even better that you offered to cure them rather than cut their heads off.
What country do you live in?

Traitor? haha thats the terminology of the wanna-be anti-Syrians:D

Dont worry shadow, this cure wont hurt:D "You" even have the freedom to choose to not to be cured:D

Why I have a feeling you hold an old grudge against GMA? I know old habits die hard... I only hope you wont take a vacation on the Bahamas next summer, election times, that would be too much of a luxury!