FPM & FM leaderships VS FM & FPM base: Introspection, Retrospection & Foresight

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

You are way out of line here!What do you reckon the reaction of a sunni fpmer would be when reading such statement coming out of a fellow FPMer.Believe it or not, the vast majority of sunnis are very far from being wahabists. If many support FM, that doesnt give you the right to generalise and accuse a whole sect of being wahhabi. We shouldnt get carried away with the sectarian game.

karami said they have their mufti and we have ours. just should answer u.
we have no problems with the sunnis who beleive in our equality, only with the wahhabis ans SUNNEYAT AL SEYASSEYA.
also a sunni FPMer should be happy when we ask equality, if he disagrees than he is just as wahhabi as sa3doun.


we have the guts to critcize and marginalize or batrak and any priest when they err and intervene in politics and take sides.
u guys are what the mufti said to us and the shia.
i dare u to deny what he said, u can not , all u do is FIND EXCUSES AND REASONS.
the way they found excuses in GHAZWET AL ACHRAFFIEH.
ghareeb attacking churches should be seen as what ? love peace and equality ?
he abused us degraded us and the jouzzou and rifa3ei followed suit and abused everything we stand for.
and all u do is defend them and find excuses....3eyb baka let me see one of u saying that the wahhabi mufti had no right to say what he said.
I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO CONDEMN the batrak IF HE SAYS SUCH A THING.AND TO GE HONEST THE batrak NEVER CALLED OTHERS SUCH WORDS DESPITE ALL HIS POLITICAL STANDS.

imagine we are called
salebeyyen
3ebad al saleeb
keffar
moushrekeen
dhummes
fifth columnist
all kind of degrading names and we must be happy and smile in order not to offend some crazy wahhabi salafi haters.
also we have to witness the terrorist who killed and slaughtered our people being freed and made to look like heroes and victims.

SHOU HAYDA YA 3AMME
SHOU HAL WAKAHHA
ESTEHYOU BAKA.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Abou Samra

As long as GMA is calling FM "Saudi Arabia" and deny to persons elected by the sunnis the right to represent lebanese and not a foreign country it will be hard to attract FM supporters.
I hope that one day he will discover that it's at least as stupid as saying that FPM is working for Syria...

The same goes when someone say that the elected majority is consider as illegal or unconstitutional and when political offices are targetted with weapons in Beirut.

As I mentionned in another post, after the May events it's unlikely that people who voted FM in 2005 will vote for persons who didn't stand against what happened.

I precise here that I'm talking about FM followers perception of GMA and FPM.

victims are never made to be on the smae footing as criminals and oppressors
let sa3doun recognize GENERAL standing and respect the people wishes and who voted for him and than we can reciproque .

but when all the media and money is 24/24 lying decieving and attcaking us for no reason but because we represent the free christian wills, than SELF DEFENCE IS VERYYYYYYYYYYY LEGITIMATE.

WAL BADDI AZLAM.

[ya ali]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

karami said they have their mufti and we have ours. just should answer u.
we have no problems with the sunnis who beleive in our equality, only with the wahhabis ans SUNNEYAT AL SEYASSEYA.
also a sunni FPMer should be happy when we ask equality, if he disagrees than he is just as wahhabi as sa3doun.


we have the guts to critcize and marginalize or batrak and any priest when they err and intervene in politics and take sides.
u guys are what the mufti said to us and the shia.
i dare u to deny what he said, u can not , all u do is FIND EXCUSES AND REASONS.
the way they found excuses in GHAZWET AL ACHRAFFIEH.
ghareeb attacking churches should be seen as what ? love peace and equality ?
he abused us degraded us and the jouzzou and rifa3ei followed suit and abused everything we stand for.
and all u do is defend them and find excuses....3eyb baka let me see one of u saying that the wahhabi mufti had no right to say what he said.
I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO CONDEMN the batrak IF HE SAYS SUCH A THING.AND TO GE HONEST THE batrak NEVER CALLED OTHERS SUCH WORDS DESPITE ALL HIS POLITICAL STANDS.

imagine we are called
salebeyyen
3ebad al saleeb
keffar
moushrekeen
dhummes
fifth columnist
all kind of degrading names and we must be happy and smile in order not to offend some crazy wahhabi salafi haters.
also we have to witness the terrorist who killed and slaughtered our people being freed and made to look like heroes and victims.

SHOU HAYDA YA 3AMME
SHOU HAL WAKAHHA
ESTEHYOU BAKA.

prove one single accusation , just one !!
And who said anything about me being a sunni ?
regards

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by ya ali

prove one single accusation , just one !!
regards

use the same tactics when it comes to teh $45bil the biggest heist and theft a country have ever known

they say proof it, when we ask for audit they accuse us of sectarian.

know u want me to prove these accusations, LOL open the tv or read your media LOL.......


beleive what u want, only do not expect us to lay low and bend over.
rahet haydeek al ayyam.

[ya ali]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

use the same tactics when it comes to teh $45bil the biggest heist and theft a country have ever known

they say proof it, when we ask for audit they accuse us of sectarian.

know u want me to prove these accusations, LOL open the tv or read your media LOL.......


beleive what u want, only do not expect us to lay low and bend over.
rahet haydeek al ayyam.

It is the funniest illogical comparison ever !! shou khass l audit bel sectarianism !! LMFAO
Discussion 101 : When you throw an accusation , you should back it up and prove it when asked too.
Al bayenato 3ala man edda3a wal yamino 3ala man ankar :)
provide me with one video or article having the mufti or any respectful sunni figure saying such thing , this is all what am asking for.
regards

[Abou Samra]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

victims are never made to be on the smae footing as criminals and oppressors
let sa3doun recognize GENERAL standing and respect the people wishes and who voted for him and than we can reciproque .

but when all the media and money is 24/24 lying decieving and attcaking us for no reason but because we represent the free christian wills, than SELF DEFENCE IS VERYYYYYYYYYYY LEGITIMATE.

WAL BADDI AZLAM.

So, when SH is doing bad things, GMA should do the same? If you want to attract FMers you should better try to be better than SH and try to avoid copying the bad thins he's making.

I think that lot of people are giving too much power to the money FM can spend in its campaign (and personnaly I don't consider it's so much more than what hezbollah can...).
You know, as the FPMers who know that OTV is not completely independent and who also watch other TV channels, the FMers are doing the same. Most of them are well educated and know how to be well informed. Some people are too much thinking that what FTV is saying is the same than what all FM voters are thinking but it's not true at all. As you and me they are interpreting the news they see through their knowledge, their dicussions, other media report, etc... Here the point should be to be the most fair and credible person. In my point of view the problem is that it seems that every lebanese politician is failing on this point and people prefer to vote for the biggest party of their sect. I would call that a negative vote instead of a positive one about principles.

Too much people (even if I think it's a minority in this forum) are thinking (or saying) that SH is followed by wahabists-islamist who are better in posing bombs than in reading books. It's quite insulting in fact.

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

karami said they have their mufti and we have ours. just should answer u.
we have no problems with the sunnis who beleive in our equality, only with the wahhabis ans SUNNEYAT AL SEYASSEYA.
also a sunni FPMer should be happy when we ask equality, if he disagrees than he is just as wahhabi as sa3doun.


we have the guts to critcize and marginalize or batrak and any priest when they err and intervene in politics and take sides.
u guys are what the mufti said to us and the shia.
i dare u to deny what he said, u can not , all u do is FIND EXCUSES AND REASONS.
the way they found excuses in GHAZWET AL ACHRAFFIEH.
ghareeb attacking churches should be seen as what ? love peace and equality ?
he abused us degraded us and the jouzzou and rifa3ei followed suit and abused everything we stand for.
and all u do is defend them and find excuses....3eyb baka let me see one of u saying that the wahhabi mufti had no right to say what he said.
I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO CONDEMN the batrak IF HE SAYS SUCH A THING.AND TO GE HONEST THE batrak NEVER CALLED OTHERS SUCH WORDS DESPITE ALL HIS POLITICAL STANDS.

imagine we are called
salebeyyen
3ebad al saleeb
keffar
moushrekeen
dhummes
fifth columnist
all kind of degrading names and we must be happy and smile in order not to offend some crazy wahhabi salafi haters.
also we have to witness the terrorist who killed and slaughtered our people being freed and made to look like heroes and victims.

SHOU HAYDA YA 3AMME
SHOU HAL WAKAHHA
ESTEHYOU BAKA.

Hanna I didn't defend them, I clearly stated that we shouldn't slip to the level of sectarianism they have shown. We are much better than that(you're free to say whatever you want). Please give me a proof that the mufti accused us of being salibiye etc... plus I am sure that any sunni FPMer wouldnt like to be called wahhabi, same for us defending such accusations to our batrak who we disagree with politically

[hannaalsayssa]

Too much people (even if I think it's a minority in this forum) are thinking (or saying) that SH is followed by wahabists-islamist who are better in posing bombs than in reading books. It's quite insulting in fact.

wearing suit does not mean that a person is not wahhabi, sep11 all were clean shaved and outgoing LOL

WE WANT OUR EQUAL RIGHTS, ANY PERSON WHO STOPPES US OR TRIES TO DERAIL US IS WAHHABI SON OF WAHHABI AND A FOLLOWER OF SUNNEYAT SEYASSEYA.
THAT ALSO APPLIES TO ANY OTHER SECT, SUCH AS DUZE, SHIA OR ALAWE.....

GIVES US OUR RIGHTS AS PER TAEF THAN WE TALK, TILL THAN
sa3doun wahad saudi wahhbai racist and all his actions and behaviors points to that.
same goes for all his movemnets, they hide behind him and wear a suit while treating us as second class..

these days are gone...we want a seat in sarayya for ABOUJAMRA, we want our rights.
we want to cancxel houqouq asl tfel bel islam that impunes our righst as christians and tresspasses on our kids rights too. we have the universal kids charter of the UN is more than enough.

we want most of the fere3 ma3loumat sacked because they are mostly form one sect

AND MOST INMPORTANT WE WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE COUPLE THOUSANDS CITIZENSHIPS GIVEN ILLEGALLY TO SOME SUNNIS IN THE 90S ( the courts have rules against these files, SHOU SAR BEL HAKKE NEHNNA BEDNA DAWLET AL MOU2ASSASSET LOLLLLLLLLLLL) WE WANT THE GAME OF DEMOGRAPHIC GENOCIDE STOPPED.

Hanna I didn't defend them, I clearly stated that we shouldn't slip to the level of sectarianism they have shown. We are much better than that(you're free to say whatever you want).

when u r with mou3arada that u can say we ,
so please speak for yourself ........
FPM is calling clearly for all the above issues to be settled and addressed, and all i am doing is asking for my rights.
but it seems this is not what some people like to hear.

WE WANT OUR RIGHTS, NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT.

[FBM]

Originally Posted by Zero Cult

Agreed.

How do you materialy turn your back to all your geographical ties, when we both know that those links are affiliated to things of much more significance than mere geography.

Well it will be tough but personally I think our location is the cause of ALL our troubles...

[Abou Samra]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

wearing suit does not mean that a person is not wahhabi, sep11 all were clean shaved and outgoing LOL

WE WANT OUR EQUAL RIGHTS, ANY PERSON WHO STOPPES US OR TRIES TO DERAIL US IS WAHHABI SON OF WAHHABI AND A FOLLOWER OF SUNNEYAT SEYASSEYA.
THAT ALSO APPLIES TO ANY OTHER SECT, SUCH AS DUZE, SHIA OR ALAWE.....

GIVES US OUR RIGHTS AS PER TAEF THAN WE TALK, TILL THAN
sa3doun wahad saudi wahhbai racist and all his actions and behaviors points to that.
same goes for all his movemnets, they hide behind him and wear a suit while treating us as second class..

these days are gone...we want a seat in sarayya for ABOUJAMRA, we want our rights.
we want to cancxel houqouq asl tfel bel islam that impunes our righst as christians and tresspasses on our kids rights too. we have the universal kids charter of the UN is more than enough.

we want most of the fere3 ma3loumat sacked because they are mostly form one sect

AND MOST INMPORTANT WE WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE COUPLE THOUSANDS CITIZENSHIPS GIVEN ILLEGALLY TO SOME SUNNIS IN THE 90S ( the courts have rules against these files, SHOU SAR BEL HAKKE NEHNNA BEDNA DAWLET AL MOU2ASSASSET LOLLLLLLLLLLL) WE WANT THE GAME OF DEMOGRAPHIC GENOCIDE STOPPED.

:-) very constructive post!
Sure that with such speech you will win a lot of the current FM supporters!

You should first ask Berri to put these topics on the parliement agenda (as it was not done yet, I guess he's a wahabbi).