FPM & FM leaderships VS FM & FPM base: Introspection, Retrospection & Foresight

[CedarLb]

Originally Posted by jisalo

At the contrary, GMA confidenly REASSURED all the Lebanese that now the train is back on trail, and as far as I know FM miliciamen are Lebanese and onboard of this train.

On the afternoon of that day, I called a friend in Mazraa to ask about her and her family's whereabouts. She ironically told me that my "friend" (GMA) wished her happy days, whilst they were terrorized by the action that was going on outside.

Put yourself in an ordinary citizen's shoes who lived in an FM stronghold, and imagine how would you feel about it.

Originally Posted by jisalo

Ironically, ex-prime minister Hoss met the Egyptian President Moubarak
while Mr.Siniora was denied such meeting a day before :)

So what?

Rice hosted Nayla M3awwad and she didn't host GMA when GMA visited the US. Does it make M3awwad a better alternative to GMA?

Originally Posted by jisalo

First, hell fire was unleached on GMA for announcing before his return the accountability issue.
Secondly, as he stated yesterday that in the current parliament majority C&R bloc cannot pass any law that is contradictory with the majority interest. Thus, they should be held accountable when having the majority in the parliament.

Let him put it on the table, and let FM base hear what FM leadership will do about it.

As an FPM supporter, I'm thinking that FPM is using it only to embarass FM before any election, and then FPM forgets about it fearing it might also embarrass some FPM allies if such laws are passed.

Originally Posted by jisalo

As FPMer, it certainly has otherwise the country wouldn't be in an impass for the last three years.

I personally think that in the politic's dictionary the
word "impossible" is omitted.

Agreed.

[jisalo]

Originally Posted by CedarLb

On the afternoon of that day, I called a friend in Mazraa to ask about her and her family's whereabouts. She ironically told me that my "friend" (GMA) wished her happy days, whilst they were terrorized by the action that was going on outside.
Put yourself in an ordinary citizen's shoes who lived in an FM stronghold, and imagine how would you feel about it.

You make it sound as if one side is happy while the other is terrorised!!!
And who told you that at my village in Maten and the whole Christian areas weren't worried and terrified from falling once again into another bitter Christian-Christian conflict. For your info FPM activists were awake every night till dawn patrolling our neighborhood for fear of incidents. So don't come here and give me the FM being terrorised, we were as well.
Now, if you and others want to twist words to make it sound as GMA was happy of May incidents, you're free to do so, but enlighten us what are the words in GMA statement that were offensive or imlying happiness??

Originally Posted by CedarLb

So what?
Rice hosted Nayla M3awwad and she didn't host GMA when GMA visited the US. Does it make M3awwad a better alternative to GMA?

It's evident as broad daylight:
USA policymakers are the least to say unfriendly of GMA policy whereas Egypt was among the most supportive states to Siniora.
Come on, are you sincere about camparing Siniora to Hoss!!!
I'm confident you're not.

Originally Posted by CedarLb

Let him put it on the table, and let FM base hear what FM leadership will do about it.
As an FPM supporter, I'm thinking that FPM is using it only to embarass FM before any election, and then FPM forgets about it fearing it might also embarrass some FPM allies if such laws are passed.

May I remind you that the country political life was drowned into an impass that resulted into the 5 ministers resignation and the closing of the parliament in the face of a mutilated cabinet for a long time, so on which table do you want C&R bloc to put this law? A patient in cardiac arrest is reanimated prior to his broken nail, the very concept and being of the Lebanese Republic was at stake.

jihad salloum

[CedarLb]

Originally Posted by jisalo

You make it sound as if one side is happy while the other is terrorised!!!
And who told you that at my village in Maten and the whole Christian areas weren't worried and terrified from falling once again into another bitter Christian-Christian conflict. For your info FPM activists were awake every night till dawn patrolling our neighborhood for fear of incidents. So don't come here and give me the FM being terrorised, we were as well.
Now, if you and others want to twist words to make it sound as GMA was happy of May incidents, you're free to do so, but enlighten us what are the words in GMA statement that were offensive or imlying happiness??

So what? They were terrorized by M8 thugs, and we were terrorized by LF thugs. We will never switch sides because there's no better alternative than GMA (in Metn for instance), and similarly, FM supporters do not have a better alternative either than Hariri (in Beirut for instance), do they?

Regardless of GMA's real intentions, this is how it sounded for them, and this was not the first time that GMA communicates badly his thoughts.

Originally Posted by jisalo

It's evident as broad daylight:
USA policymakers are the least to say unfriendly of GMA policy whereas Egypt was among the most supportive states to Siniora.
Come on, are you sincere about camparing Siniora to Hoss!!!
I'm confident you're not.

Having a foreign country welcome politician A and reject politician B does not make A a better leader than B.

I'm saying that Hoss does not qualify as a competing leader, with all respect to his person. He's far from being a "better" alternative.

Originally Posted by jisalo

May I remind you that the country political life was drowned into an impass that resulted into the 5 ministers resignation and the closing of the parliament in the face of a mutilated cabinet for a long time, so on which table do you want C&R bloc to put this law? A patient in cardiac arrest is reanimated prior to his broken nail, the very concept and being of the Lebanese Republic was at stake.

jihad salloum

I'm not one of those who think that history started on 14 Feb 2005 or on 6 Feb 2006 or on May 7 2008.

The parliament was closed from 2006 till 2008, but still there were, there are and there will be plenty of occasions to proceed or at least get started with this step. I hope it gets materialized soon, and not just be used as empty talk since the elections are coming.

[Zero Cult]

Originally Posted by FBM

IMO as an FM supporter, the FM needs to do something about the corruption issue if you visit the FM forum you'll find that many FM supporters hates this fact about the FM. Personally I think we should get rid of taef as it was intended as a quick fix for the many probelems and the longer we take to fix these the worse the setuation is getting, I think Lebanon should be like Turkey, A secular nation thats in the middle east that is looking forward towards the west and I believe we as lebanese should turn our backs on all our geographical ties.

Agreed.

How do you materialy turn your back to all your geographical ties, when we both know that those links are affiliated to things of much more significance than mere geography.

[jisalo]

Originally Posted by CedarLb

So what? They were terrorized by M8 thugs, and we were terrorized by LF thugs. We will never switch sides because there's no better alternative than GMA (in Metn for instance), and similarly, FM supporters do not have a better alternative either than Hariri (in Beirut for instance), do they?

Let me set things straight.
If, hypothetically, FPM was at the shoes of FM and behaved similarly for the months that preceded the May incidents, I wouldn't have remained supportive for FPM, and that's exactly what your friend ought to do.
And yes their is always another alternative like being independent whether you are in Maten or Beirut or anywhere.

Originally Posted by CedarLb

Regardless of GMA's real intentions, this is how it sounded for them, and this was not the first time that GMA communicates badly his thoughts.

I agree half the way with you that GMA sometimes, undeliberately. translate unproperly his thoughts in the media.
Neveretheless, on that specific statement I did not hear any provocative or sarcastic words, but even though GMA wept tears on that day FM supporters would have labeled those tears as the crocodile's tears.

Originally Posted by CedarLb

Having a foreign country welcome politician A and reject politician B does not make A a better leader than B.
I'm saying that Hoss does not qualify as a competing leader, with all respect to his person. He's far from being a "better" alternative.

First, I applyied the camparison of Hoss's meeting in a sarcastic meaning, yet I respect your opinion but I think Hoss is far more a better person than Siniora both morally and skillfully. Moreover, neither FPM nor the opposition have set Hoss as an alternative of Siniora for Hoss has withdrawn himself from the political arena.

Originally Posted by CedarLb

I'm not one of those who think that history started on 14 Feb 2005 or on 6 Feb 2006 or on May 7 2008.
The parliament was closed from 2006 till 2008, but still there were, there are and there will be plenty of occasions to proceed or at least get started with this step. I hope it gets materialized soon, and not just be used as empty talk since the elections are coming.

You may be right. But let us wait for this post election period to judge if FPM will neglect this file after having (maybe) the majority with the opposition.

jihad salloum

[ya ali]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

it is always the mou3arada fault isn't it

after calling us dhummes, keffar, moushrekken
now they want us to dialogue LOL...

Do you want a political or a sectarian discussion !!
For God's , when did any FM'er called you a dhummies , kouffor or moushrekeen !! Are you for real ?
Do you live in Lebanon ?????
Lebanon biggest problem, I think, is that the bases of all parties does not know the "Other" .For instance , the Christian of Jabal does not know the sunni of tripoli and never had any REAL and SINCERE interaction with them and thus they built up this stupid fear from the unknown other (and vice versa ). I think this case apply to all sects and all parties in this country.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by ya ali

Do you want a political or a sectarian discussion !!
For God's , when did any FM'er called you a dhummies , kouffor or moushrekeen !! Are you for real ?
Do you live in Lebanon ?????
Lebanon biggest problem, I think, is that the bases of all parties does not know the "Other" .For instance , the Christian of Jabal does not know the sunni of tripoli and never had any REAL and SINCERE interaction with them and thus they built up this stupid fear from the unknown other (and vice versa ). I think this case apply to all sects and all parties in this country.

when we are seen as equals and treated as such, than we can talk politics
as long as Dpm has no seat, how can one take these wahhabis serious or desirable of discussions.
the moufti of wahhabis in lebanon jan2 07 called us keffar and wahhabis and no one dared criticize him or correct him.
also the millions in speeches about beirut lana and this kind of rubbish.
plus the audacity of good frida and houqouq al tifel.
also the forcing down our throats ghazi kaanan law
in doha armenians were abused and disrespected by non other than sousou advisor and nothing was corrected.
sousou turning the sraya into a mosque each friday
the list is just so long that if u do not get the message by now, u will never get it.

SOUNNEYET AL SEYASSEYA IS THE BANE AND PROBLEM IN LEBANON....

sa3wadat wa sa3danat loubnan.......

[ya ali]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

when we are seen as equals and treated as such, than we can talk politics
as long as Dpm has no seat, how can one take these wahhabis serious or desirable of discussions.
the moufti of wahhabis in lebanon jan2 07 called us keffar and wahhabis and no one dared criticize him or correct him.
also the millions in speeches about beirut lana and this kind of rubbish.
plus the audacity of good frida and houqouq al tifel.
also the forcing down our throats ghazi kaanan law
in doha armenians were abused and disrespected by non other than sousou advisor and nothing was corrected.
sousou turning the sraya into a mosque each friday
the list is just so long that if u do not get the message by now, u will never get it.

SOUNNEYET AL SEYASSEYA IS THE BANE AND PROBLEM IN LEBANON....

sa3wadat wa sa3danat loubnan.......

And you expect to have a dialogue and mutual respect between the two bases !!!!!

[Shuyu3i]

I think some are beginning to hate the sunni in lebanon because the acts of ONE man. If you hate hariri thats fine you have every right 2 but do not attack the sunni for hariris faults. There are many educated and smart sunni's not all are like hariri.

[Tayyar Keserwen]

Originally Posted by Shuyu3i

I think some are beginning to hate the sunni in lebanon because the acts of ONE man. If you hate hariri thats fine you have every right 2 but do not attack the sunni for hariris faults. There are many educated and smart sunni's not all are like hariri.

Shuyu3i, u think too much, u might hurt your head.

We are not LF to hate anyone based on his sect...