FPM & FM leaderships VS FM & FPM base: Introspection, Retrospection & Foresight - The Orange Room

CedarLb

We know that as of today, FPM & FM are on opposite sides for several reasons. Both parties have changed some of their policies/views, and somehow their positions today are not always coherent with their position few years ago.

Both parties attract supporters from several sects, both parties have huge support, and both parties resort every now and then to the sectarian tone in order to upheave the majority of their base.

The difference nevertheless, is that FM leadership was never as blunt as FPM leadership in using the sectarian tone. Saad, in his seldom media-appearances, was never as aggressive as GMA in his very frequent public appearances.
Saad has most of the time been the good cop among the Feb 14 leaders, unlike GMA who has always been the spearhead bashing FM leaders 3al tali3 wel nezil, and throwing on them alone the full responsibility of the last 15 years.

Even though there's a controversy about Hariri's plan for Lebanon, how is GMA addressing FM base? GMA joyfully and confidently congratulated the Lebanese when FM strongholds were being swept by M8 militias!!!!!
Which alternative is GMA and FPM leadership presenting to FM's base? Karami & Hoss?
Why there isn't any prominent Sunni leader among FPM leaders?
What has FPM done regarding the Audit it promised to us in 2005? Is it just a useful material to exploit before the election and then forget about it?

On the other hand,

What does FM leadership think of HA's arms? Does it diverge form FPM's perspective on these arms?
What does FM supporters think of Taef? Do you, FM supporter, think that Taef has loopholes that need to be corrected?
Do you, FM supporters, feel comfortable with your leadership approach toward extremists?
Do you, FM supporters, completely absolve Hariri from the policies that led us to this HUGE amount of debt?
Do you feel comfortable with your party leaders being a spearhead to overthrow the regime in Syria?
Do you feel that the way (Kanaan law + quadripartite alliance) that led FM&allies to be a majority in the parliament in 2005, is a legal & fair way to make FM&allies apply the majority/minority way in ruling Lebanon?
Do you, FM supporters, acknowledge that FM unfairly alienated FPM & FM's christian allies in 2005?

Seeing the rapprochement between FPM & HA, and FM & HA wouldn't it be more likely to foresee a rapprochement between FPM & FM & HA?

Boris®

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Saad, in his seldom media-appearances, was never as aggressive as GMA in his very frequent public appearances.

I think if u check Future TV & Future Newspaper and Khashan&Bro. you will find the reason . . .

hannaalsayssa

let me sums up it in few words

sa3doun: likes hegemony and is a traditional wahhbai follower i.e. MIGHT IS RIGHT
sa3doun followers: tanket al zeit does most of the thinking, they are becoming hooked on things like that, the rest beleive in the sounneyye seyasseyat.

GENERAL: forward thinker, honest, and most important a rare lebanese PATRIOT,
FPMers: from different background, bound by a mutual ideal of living as EQUALS in lebanon and that this country is a final destination. another major diffrence is that they amany are idealists and motivated by a better future for all, and lest i forget TANKAT AL ZEIT has no place or use for us.

we need to emphasize the TANKET AL ZEIT issue, because it has become a way of life and philosophy for many parties and leaders, some even boasts about it.

barid

The most important difference is that FM pays its base while FPM's base pays FPM.
This is crucial and has many implications on the leaders as well as the base attitude and thinking.

SeekNirvana

There are many issues with the way Aoun and HA are dealing with FM's base, and especially its largest part, the Sunnis.

On one hand, the "opposition" speaks of national unity and that the current struggle is a political one and not a sectarian one, and on the other you see behaviors like:
- Aoun's "train back on track" after the clashes in Beirut.
- Aoun's consistent sectarian speech which from time to time he tries to embellish by saying that it is not targeted against Sunnis whereas the concerned people's perception of the speech is completely different.
- HA's weapons that continue to be a problem for Lebanese who are not politically appealed by HA's political course and by non-Shiite sectarians who fear that a Shiite party has more weapons than they do.

Regarding the last point, and since the MoU, HA has miserably failed in showing any sign of good will with regards to its weapons. I'm not sure what exactly would've turned out of the dialogue charade hadn't been interrupted by that event or whether that event was purposely timed to cut short the charade remains an interesting question to answer.

For any real rapprochement to happen between any of these parties, tensions must cool down, and political divergences have to become about issues and not sects. All parties have the duty to raise their bar to a level where they discuss issues and not sects. Most (All?) of them are not willing to do that now, not before the elections.

hannaalsayssa

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Originally Posted by SeekNirvana

There are many issues with the way Aoun and HA are dealing with FM's base, and especially its largest part, the Sunnis.

On one hand, the "opposition" speaks of national unity and that the current struggle is a political one and not a sectarian one, and on the other you see behaviors like:
- Aoun's "train back on track" after the clashes in Beirut.
- Aoun's consistent sectarian speech which from time to time he tries to embellish by saying that it is not targeted against Sunnis whereas the concerned people's perception of the speech is completely different.
- HA's weapons that continue to be a problem for Lebanese who are not politically appealed by HA's political course and by non-Shiite sectarians who fear that a Shiite party has more weapons than they do.

Regarding the last point, and since the MoU, HA has miserably failed in showing any sign of good will with regards to its weapons. I'm not sure what exactly would've turned out of the dialogue charade hadn't been interrupted by that event or whether that event was purposely timed to cut short the charade remains an interesting question to answer.

For any real rapprochement to happen between any of these parties, tensions must cool down, and political divergences have to become about issues and not sects. All parties have the duty to raise their bar to a level where they discuss issues and not sects. Most (All?) of them are not willing to do that now, not before the elections.

it is always the mou3arada fault isn't it

after calling us dhummes, keffar, moushrekken
now they want us to dialogue LOL...

FBM

IMO as an FM supporter, the FM needs to do something about the corruption issue if you visit the FM forum you'll find that many FM supporters hates this fact about the FM. Personally I think we should get rid of taef as it was intended as a quick fix for the many probelems and the longer we take to fix these the worse the setuation is getting, I think Lebanon should be like Turkey, A secular nation thats in the middle east that is looking forward towards the west and I believe we as lebanese should turn our backs on all our geographical ties.

jisalo

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