FPM, C&R, between wrong and popular, or right and unpopular, what to choose?

[Mich©]

Always go with what is right. Eventually they will see, sometimes it takes 15 years or more, but we have to be verrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy patient.

[roch10452]

what about democracy in all this
you know
if something is called popular, its mainly because the people wish for it
the people not always wish for what is right

if you want to do what is right (according to you) and the people doesnt like it...
call yourself a dictator

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by roch10452

what about democracy in all this
you know
if something is called popular, its mainly because the people wish for it
the people not always wish for what is right

if you want to do what is right (according to you) and the people doesnt like it...
call yourself a dictator

More than half of the Lebanese people were supportive of the Syrian occupation, and that doesnt make it right.
We dont have a populist regime, god help us if we did, the Lebanon we know wouldnt exist...

[ul-eco-aouniste]

Originally Posted by roch10452

what about democracy in all this
you know
if something is called popular, its mainly because the people wish for it
the people not always wish for what is right

if you want to do what is right (according to you) and the people doesnt like it...
call yourself a dictator

So you are saying that all the regimes in Europe are dictatorship? Cause all of them are imposing the non-smoking areas everywhere?
Have you read the Economist study about smoking in Lebanon? An urgent action is needed, even if it wasn't popular!

[elias-aj]

Originally Posted by roch10452

what about democracy in all this
you know
if something is called popular, its mainly because the people wish for it
the people not always wish for what is right

if you want to do what is right (according to you) and the people doesnt like it...
call yourself a dictator

Eh, the question is what must we promote.

Do we have to promote a program or ideas which seem right to us but are not popular, exposing ourselves to the risk of losing elections ? Or we have to promote program and ideas that struck a chord with the people, no matter if those ideas or program are right (to us).

What is undemocratic ? Proposing a political program that might or not be popular, while the people will eventually decide during elections... well, that's pure democracy.

[elias-aj]

Originally Posted by ul-eco-aouniste

We have seen that the MoU between FPM and Hizbullah is a very "right" decision, but we noticed also that it's not so popular.
On the other hand, some "wrong" decisions can be popular, imagine GMA asking for movements on the ground after the death of Georges Abou Madi, for example.

Some other decisions, are not that dangerous, but also they are right, and unpopular, rising the taxes on cigarettes, charging huge amounts for cafeterias/pubs/clubs that allow smoking, imposing huge fines for these latter that sells alcohol, cigarettes, arguileh for minors....

These decisions, will help the "sustainable development" (the real goal of the nations, and not the economic growth as some people think)

so between wrong and popular, or right and unpopular, what do you think, FPM and C&R should choose?

FPM must stick to its principles, no matter what, and promote those principles. That's the theory.

To be able to change and reform, FPM needs to get in power and thereof, a larger popular support than it has now.

So we have to reach those two aims, without lapsing into elitism or populism.

In my opinion, you don't have any choice here...

[Shuyu3i]

In regards to FPM its principles and goals if you read the charter is very good. If these are applied it would mean wonders for lebanon. Now as the party is concerned it looks like its a bit of track. that is how i see it anyways. For the future of this party and for lebanon it has to return to its principles. If someone is corrupt, if someone is stealing FPM shouldn't ally with him just to gain some votes in areas. Stand by the principles that you fought for over 15 years and lebanon will be 'bi alf kheir'.

Promote the principles and the ministries you end up having work your *** off to show the lebanese people that change and reform is not just a slogan but a way of life for FPM.

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by roch10452

what about democracy in all this
you know
if something is called popular, its mainly because the people wish for it
the people not always wish for what is right

if you want to do what is right (according to you) and the people doesnt like it...
call yourself a dictator

Well, the people always want everything to be easy and fast.

And corruption is the best way to do it.
They want to pass the red light when they want to, they DON'T wanna pay taxes, they wanna get away with theft.

Should we listen to the people here or do what's right ?

[Shuyu3i]

Originally Posted by The Jade

Well, the people always want everything to be easy and fast.

And corruption is the best way to do it.
They want to pass the red light when they want to, they DON'T wanna pay taxes, they wanna get away with theft.

Should we listen to the people here or do what's right ?

WRONG. The people weren't born like this. The situation or circumstances around you make you what you are. For example in Australia you MUST pay taxes, you MUST follow the road rules etc and people do it or there are reprecussions. So what lebanon needs is LAW not more corrupt people. And if the people do want corruption you should always do whats RIGHT.

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by roch10452

what about democracy in all this
you know
if something is called popular, its mainly because the people wish for it
the people not always wish for what is right

if you want to do what is right (according to you) and the people doesnt like it...
call yourself a dictator

Countries are built by the elite of their population, some leaders can fool some people for all the time, some leaders can fool all the people for sometime, but noone can fool all the people all the time.

With that in mind, I say there is no black and white in the question if FPM must do the right thing always even if it is unpopular.

There are some matters where we can be more flexible with the people's wish, mainly not "country threatening" matters, but some matters which are really dangerous for our country, I think here FPM must always do what is right.