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Default FPM, C&R, between wrong and popular, or right and unpopular, what to choose? - 4 Weeks Ago

We have seen that the MoU between FPM and Hizbullah is a very "right" decision, but we noticed also that it's not so popular.
On the other hand, some "wrong" decisions can be popular, imagine GMA asking for movements on the ground after the death of Georges Abou Madi, for example.

Some other decisions, are not that dangerous, but also they are right, and unpopular, rising the taxes on cigarettes, charging huge amounts for cafeterias/pubs/clubs that allow smoking, imposing huge fines for these latter that sells alcohol, cigarettes, arguileh for minors....

These decisions, will help the "sustainable development" (the real goal of the nations, and not the economic growth as some people think)

so between wrong and popular, or right and unpopular, what do you think, FPM and C&R should choose?
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define popular?

because the way I see it is that the MoU was and still more popular than the Pope ;)
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Its got nothing to do with the MOU. If something is right it is right. Something is wrong it is wrong. FPM should play its cards right. If HA or AMAL or SSNP or any other ally is doing something wrong FPM should say it. Don't be scared and hide behind the shadows. If his allies are doing the same thing as FM or PSP or LF why talk about them and not your own allies?
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because the way I see it is that the MoU was and still more popular than the Pope ;)
Dont make the FPMers/supporters leave, and make new guys enter the party/start supporting it
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Dont make the FPMers/supporters leave, and make new guys enter the party/start supporting it
Without MOU,

HA alone, GMA alone ( lets not forget in election he was boycotted by his allies and made war against him, then they made government without FPM).

Possible civil war because all on HA, then HA will have the right to defend and that may lead to new civil war which FPM will be out of it and possible leave again country by GMA because Lebanese suck.

Tension between shiaa and christian increase specialy with the presence of parasite like Sami and Ga3ga3.

With MOU,

HA, GMA powerful force cant be stepped over.

No Civil War

No tension between shiaa and christians only some annoying parasites trying to make tension.

Lebanon has a chance to survive.

Which fpmer will be against that?

Maybe fpmers who believe in utopia and think that in the end they will reach to what they want on there own in a country like Lebanon? (pickup your phone its the wake up call)

Now the other part of this will be

FPM shouldnt go into deals over anything that may harm its reputation.

Regarding FPMers There are 2 kinds of supporters:

1- Who believe in the goal and leadership of FPM.
2- Who hide under FPM umbrella to cover there phobias, and some benefits.

i think FPM can live without the 2nd part because in the end they will keep following there phobias and benefits no matter what.

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We have seen that the MoU between FPM and Hizbullah is a very "right" decision, but we noticed also that it's not so popular.
On the other hand, some "wrong" decisions can be popular, imagine GMA asking for movements on the ground after the death of Georges Abou Madi, for example.

Some other decisions, are not that dangerous, but also they are right, and unpopular, rising the taxes on cigarettes, charging huge amounts for cafeterias/pubs/clubs that allow smoking, imposing huge fines for these latter that sells alcohol, cigarettes, arguileh for minors....

These decisions, will help the "sustainable development" (the real goal of the nations, and not the economic growth as some people think)

so between wrong and popular, or right and unpopular, what do you think, FPM and C&R should choose?
I choose Right over popular!! The MOU is right and popular I don't know why you are saying it's not! If some people in Lebanon don't support it that doesn't mean it's not popular!
FPM should always choose the right over the popular! I would rather see FPM losing support and not see Lebanon in a Civil War for example.

Let us say FPM was the most popular party in lebanon and suddenly a war happened bi chou ra7 tenfa3 l popularity se3eta? ma chi! We will all lose!

mech mouhim 2ade fina nerba7 2aswat l mohem l balad w cha3eb ma yfouto bel 7eit!
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The MOU is right with any party not only with HA but when they do something wrong it is your responsibility to say it is wrong not to say its right even though you don't believe it.
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mostly i will err on the side of right

but in some instances where the issues are not that clear i will go for popular.
THIS HAS TO BE ON CASE BY CASE DECISIONS.
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actually i dont see anything wrong about both but i think the topic should be changed to MEDIA popular and unpopular

for example lets say it is better for "lebanon" to put high taxes on cigarettes. it is right for FPM to go for it but it is wrong for FPM to brag about it 24h on tv. and yes even to such small and stupid ideas, because in the end there should be rules to what and how much FPM should talk in the media and about what

my opinion on the MoU is that it is right but it shouldnt have taken that much time on the media. FPM shouldnt have defended it. just a few words like it is better for lebanon and thats it, because in the end the margin of loss is the same. lets say FPM didnt defend mou 24h on tv it would have lost same ppl but in the end FPM wouldnt be that open for attacks and sarcasm

in the end my point goes back to media, if u killed someone and the media didnt know all that happens is that u go to jail, but if u slap someone and the media has it on tv 24h a day then it is a problem
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i go for aktar shee right and aktar shee popular between the parties = FPM :)


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