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Of course it should be done in secret and behind the curtain, so in principle there is no way for someone to know if you voted for him or not. This is why many people take the money and then vote for the ones they like and not necessarily the one that bribed them.

Many things were done in the past in order to check if the people are voting exactly for the ones that bribed them.

They lie to you:
- They tell you that there are cameras and they will know who you voted for (big lie there are no cameras behind the curtain)
- They forbid you to go behind the curtain (the famous elias murr syndrome which in 2001 appeared, asking people to vote for his sister without going behind the curtain, so he will know who you are voting for). Under normal circumstances, this must be stopped by the responsible for the "alam" but many dont abide by it.
- If it is a small town, they will calculate the votes and and check for differences (here they will know that some got paid and didnt vote for them, but they wont be able to know who exactly it was. Usually they accuse the ones that they doubt the most).
- They use some terrorist methods, like giving you the electoral list to vote, and after you go out from behind the curtain, they ask you to empty your pockets or check if you still have it. (This can be prohibited by hiding the paper in some sensitive places under the clothes or checking for places to throw it without that the mandoubin of the briber be able to find it).

So all in all it is about tricking and being tricked. So each one has his own way and his own tricks.

Very democratic huh!!!!
You also forgot one great mean that was used during the Syrian occupation. They used to give the voter an envelope, signed by them in which the list in there and the envelope closed, and when the voter goes into the kalam, he gets an envelope from the raiss kalam in which he is supposed to put his paper in, so the voter goes behind the curtain, he puts the raiss kalam envelope in his pocket and actually drops the other envelope in the box. Then outside the voter gives them the raiss kalam envelope and this way they know he dropped their envelope in the box.

Now legally, when the raiss kalam starts the voting process in the morning, each and every envelope given to the voters should have his signature and the signature of one or 2 of the mandoubin. If that is respected, then the other envelopes would be disregarded, however, during the Syrian era, all rakiss kalam and all the ones overlooking the elections were Syrian lackeys as their masters and the ones hiring them (they used to be for their majority government employees) and thus, the law was not followed and all envelopes were accepted.
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it is not that easy to control people after u gave them the money
still many of who collects nows that if they were a suspect thye will not give them again
therefore most of who collects tends to put the lista as promised.
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it is not that easy to control people after u gave them the money
still many of who collects nows that if they were a suspect thye will not give them again
therefore most of who collects tends to put the lista as promised.
Yes they try to play on people's honesty and goodwill. For many people, they feel that their duty is to vote for the one that paid them, since by that they have a clear conscious. But those people must know very well that their honesty and high values are not in play here, since how can they feel proud in themselves if they accept to be bought by 100$.

The cow or the sheep (b3id al shebeh 3an kel al lebneniye) costs more than 100$.
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Since i am not familiar with the election process in Leb, i want to ask anyone that knows, if anyone pays money for the vote , how can he be sure that they will vote for him? is there any trick cuz the vote is supposed to be secret.
they simply take ur electoral card from you
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they simply take ur electoral card from you
You don't need an electoral card to vote this time, just your ID card or your passport.
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You don't need an electoral card to vote this time, just your ID card or your passport.
than they simply take them for the weekend :)
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You don't need an electoral card to vote this time, just your ID card or your passport.
The ID Card and the passport to be used by the Expatriate only.
For those who are in Lebanon an electoral card is needed..

Back to the topic.. I don't think that this time they can bought people with some gallon of oil and some kgs of rice... so kabro 3a2elkon,,, people are not stupid anymore
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The ID Card and the passport to be used by the Expatriate only.
For those who are in Lebanon an electoral card is needed..

Back to the topic.. I don't think that this time they can bought people with some gallon of oil and some kgs of rice... so kabro 3a2elkon,,, people are not stupid anymore
Arze I think you are mistaken. The way I understood it, there will be no electoral cards, neither inside nor outside, and that to stop this "holding your electoral card" thing. They can't hold your ID, you have only one, nor your passport.
They should be also forbid the voting with "elhraj eid" caus each person has many ones of those, those can be held by the votes buyers.
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The ID Card and the passport to be used by the Expatriate only.
For those who are in Lebanon an electoral card is needed..

Back to the topic.. I don't think that this time they can bought people with some gallon of oil and some kgs of rice... so kabro 3a2elkon,,, people are not stupid anymore
i hope you're right arze. i hope they finally understand that a gallon of gas this month still means 11 months of no gas.

but honestly 2005 wasnt the first or last time they pulled that trick.
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i hope you're right arze. i hope they finally understand that a gallon of gas this month still means 11 months of no gas.

but honestly 2005 wasnt the first or last time they pulled that trick.
In basic human behavior studies, you notice that people who are in dire financial need do not come close to what you call thinking for tomorrow, planning for the months to come.... They care about mere survival and that means, they get whatever they could today and worry about tomorrow tomorrow. Unfortunately to these people, the 100 or 200 or 500$ make a huge difference TODAY, this is all what they see.
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