FM buying People: The Metn Saga

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Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Instead of a one-liner, tayyar "reporters" should tackle such important issues by writing a full article with names and references like 1) Who paid, 2) The amounts, 3) Those who got paid, etc...

Why put yourself in a backfiring position?

i m sure it's coming but when it's the time

يللي بيشتريك بيرجع ببيعك

[taifoon]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

The issue might very well be true given Hariri's track record of buying ppl with few bucks and food, but for the sake of tayyar.org's credibility (and for PR purposes as well), let there be more details info. One liners simply don't cut it.


By the way, many times did my family receive aid in the form of a food crate from a Hariri organization, but truce be told nothing was expected in return. Well, the family knows an important figure in FM Achrafieh, so that might have helped. Yet, I have one remark: All the aid from 2006 till now is actually aid destined to the victims of July War (bc the products have labels on them from fellow arab countries saying these items are not for sale).

vego, the best aid Hariri and his fake facades can contribute with is to start buying their political and spiritual leaders functioning and productive brains. If that's too abstract a suggestion, they can always try to actively engage into a true reconciliation process with other lebanese, undergo an effective cure against schizophrenia whereby their wahhabi tails are completely cut off, and finally pay back their huge share of our national debt.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Ra7 NEB2A Hon

i'm not sure if we can do a lot with those simple minded people who can be bought with one kilogram of rice.
warning them and trying to create some kind of awareness is what fpm is trying to do.

Originally Posted by Diabolo_7

awareness campaign

First, I think it's better to refrain from calling them "simple minded people" as you would agree the term has some negative connotation, many people are needy and would sell their vote and they're not "simple minded".

I would be interested to know more about the awareness campaign and I doubt that a one-liner on tayyar.org is the answer.

[Red Phoenix]

for me it's nice to call them "simple minded" and have honest nasty fun with it instead of calling them normal minded ppl and work on making them my working/worshiping daily slaves.. hehe

political correctness set aside, "simple minded ppl" is too much of a nice thing to say about any population that worships gods, feudal lords, and very lately the holy tv tube without even blinking.. hehe

[fidelio]

The most important thing for the average voter who wants to vote against his "benefactor", is the secrecy of his vote.
If that can be accomplished by some new measures like adopting only the name of the candidate without the titles and unifying the ballots as much as possible, that would be of some help.

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Instead of a one-liner, tayyar "reporters" should tackle such important issues by writing a full article with names and references like 1) Who paid, 2) The amounts, 3) Those who got paid, etc...

Why put yourself in a backfiring position?

And you think that it is doable actually to report about how much was paid and by whom? First of all, they pay in cash most of the time, therefore you can't trace how much they paid (that is if the payment is in cash, and not bills, tuition...). Second, NO MAN ON EARTH will come to a journalist and tell him write my name I was bought. And even if someone is trying to trick them, acting as someone who would accept being paid to, they make sure there is no proof left behind them.

My doctor's assistant is from Metn, she told me that she was offered 200$ to vote for Amin Gemayel in the by-elections and she took them. She said she voted for FPM, but who knows, maybe she is trying to tsseyerneh. Anyways, it doesn't matter who she voted for, the bottom line is, do you think she would actually admit she took the money to a journalist and accept to have her name listed in the newspaper? This is unfortunately the worst thing about these things, you can never have substantial proof, you know it is happening, people talk about it openly, some even admit to have been paid, but will never get you proof for it.

p.s: and in the very few occasions we got proof, like the check paid by hariri to the Baba guy in Tripoli, nothing happened.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Rising Force

After Batroun and Jbeil and previously buying people in the North with tanket zet and 100 usd...Hariri gang decided to try that in Metn.....I say let the people take what is offered and vote against Hariri (represented with Gemayelists and Geageaists)....

مع إقتراب الإنتخابات النيابية بدأ على ما يبدو ضخّ اموال البترو دولار في بعض المناطق من بينها المتن، وذلك تحت إسم "مساعدات الشهيد رفيق الحريري"

tayyar.org

If it was only that easy, they ask you to write fakhamet el ra2is or other titles on the ballot and then they issue a law saying that it is allowed to do it li marra wa7ida fakat so if you get paid and you don't do it they know that they paid you and told you to write this and if you didn't beyb3atoulak 14 az3ar 3al bayt w billimouk 3a she3bet el ma3loumet, or they put a bomb under you car seat, el balad seyeb, they kill you acccuse syria and mourn you

[barid]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

If it was only that easy, they ask you to write fakhamet el ra2is or other titles on the ballot and then they issue a law saying that it is allowed to do it li marra wa7ida fakat so if you get paid and you don't do it they know that they paid you and told you to write this and if you didn't beyb3atoulak 14 az3ar 3al bayt w billimouk 3a she3bet el ma3loumet, or they put a bomb under you car seat, el balad seyeb, they kill you acccuse syria and mourn you

Also, they can give you a list where the candidates name is in a specific order. Usually they do that for a family. Suppose a family is formed of 10 persons, then they should here the list in a specific oder 10 times, otherwise someone has cheated.

To overcome this, there should be a pre-printed list of all the candidates distributed by the interior ministery, and you tick the candidate you want.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by barid

Also, they can give you a list where the candidates name is in a specific order. Usually they do that for a family. Suppose a family is formed of 10 persons, then they should here the list in a specific oder 10 times, otherwise someone has cheated.

To overcome this, there should be a pre-printed list of all the candidates distributed by the interior ministery, and you tick the candidate you want.

It is the interior minister who did the ta3mim last time about sheikh, fakhamet el ra2is, basha, dictor, 7mar can be written before Amin el Gemayyel in the last election, ma 7emmiya gher 7aramiyya, and nobody complains but you hear guys like 3teek and leb-ella ribi3 coming and lecturing us about the law and democracy when they disappear from threads like this one

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Youchka

And you think that it is doable actually to report about how much was paid and by whom? First of all, they pay in cash most of the time, therefore you can't trace how much they paid (that is if the payment is in cash, and not bills, tuition...). Second, NO MAN ON EARTH will come to a journalist and tell him write my name I was bought. And even if someone is trying to trick them, acting as someone who would accept being paid to, they make sure there is no proof left behind them.

My doctor's assistant is from Metn, she told me that she was offered 200$ to vote for Amin Gemayel in the by-elections and she took them. She said she voted for FPM, but who knows, maybe she is trying to tsseyerneh. Anyways, it doesn't matter who she voted for, the bottom line is, do you think she would actually admit she took the money to a journalist and accept to have her name listed in the newspaper? This is unfortunately the worst thing about these things, you can never have substantial proof, you know it is happening, people talk about it openly, some even admit to have been paid, but will never get you proof for it.

p.s: and in the very few occasions we got proof, like the check paid by hariri to the Baba guy in Tripoli, nothing happened.

I will tell you what will actually not happen: An anti-corruption campaign will not happen unless you back it up with solid cases, people - especially the mainstream - will not believe what is described as hearsay.

If you are interested in people coming out against corruption in one of the worst environments, take a look at Sicily - some people paid with blood over there, another recent example is in Mexico, where are we of that?

All I'm saying is that half-baked campaigns won't do much if anything and what you described as a case (even without names) is much better than one-liners, once again... there is a need to be creative about anti-corruption in addition to a concerted effort.