Feb14 Christians: Is there really such a thing?

[revolution425]

Originally Posted by Abotareq93

No they can't because the ministers of Interior in the last 4 years belonged both to March 14th and they were both Sunni.

But I will go with you and suppose that this was possible, then should we have moved 20000 Shia or Christians?
- Christians do not have a human reservoir to move noufouss from like Sunni or Shia.
- If 20000 Shia were moved to Zahle, we would be facing the same outcome: Zahle would lose its identity as the Capital of Catholicism in the Middle East.

I think the only hope for Christians in Lebanon is the implementation of a non-sectarian system. Their numbers simply don't hold and its only going to get worst in the future. Time for this country to move forward from this disease. Hopefully, the Christians will be the engine to push for that change since they have the most to lose.(3asa an takraho shy2an wa howa 5yron lakom)

[Abotareq93]

Originally Posted by revolution425

I think the only hope for Christians in Lebanon is the implementation of a non-sectarian system. Their numbers simply don't hold and its only going to get worst in the future. Time for this country to move forward from this disease. Hopefully, the Christians will be the engine to push for that change since they have the most to lose.(3asa an takraho shy2an wa howa 5yron lakom)

I fully agree with you; but until this sectarian system is removed, how can the Christians survive politically in this country?
I think that the way GMA is behaving now is the best way to deal with the actual situation in Lebanon.

[Shuyu3i]

Originally Posted by Abotareq93

I fully agree with you; but until this sectarian system is removed, how can the Christians survive politically in this country?
I think that the way GMA is behaving now is the best way to deal with the actual situation in Lebanon.

GMA should call for the removal of these illegal people who gained citizenship in the syrian years.

[sebastianhanna]

Originally Posted by Shuyu3i

GMA should call for the removal of these illegal people who gained citizenship in the syrian years.

let murr, hariri's ally now take care of that
42000 of the 46000 mjannasin are sunni, so hariri will not let take away their lebanese citizenship anytime soon
only 4000 are christian, i remember these numbers from camille khoury/amine gemayel election.
source: new tv

[Abotareq93]

Originally Posted by sebastianhanna

let murr, hariri's ally now take care of that
42000 of the 46000 mjannasin are sunni, so hariri will not let take away their lebanese citizenship anytime soon
only 4000 are christian, i remember these numbers from camille khoury/amine gemayel election.
source: new tv

I think that the total number of moujannaseen is much bigger: it is 140000 out of whom 120000 are Sunni; that was in 1994 but with their rate of growth, I think that their number now is at least 40% more.

[Lebanesegirl]

You should have seen Sami Jemayil yesterday on kalem ness a big LOL!! He was telling walid Jumblat to be careful w ma yestafezon!! hehehe what a joke really! But we still can't deny that LF is getting more ze3ran in schools and they will be voting in 2013 and FPM should pay a close attention and start working in schools and also outside Lebanon!

[lebanese1]

Feb 14 christians are now hosting in their houses for 3 hours the symbols of the Syrian era!

وهاب في بكفيّا

اعلن تيار التوحيد في بيان اليوم ان رئيسه الوزير السابق وئام وهاب التقى مساء امس الخميس رئيس حزب الكتائب الرئيس امين الجميل في دارته في بكفيا، وعقدا اجتماعا استمر ثلاث ساعات، جرى خلاله بحث معمق لكل القضايا المطروحة. وجرى التفاهم على مواصلة الاتصالات في اطار سياسة الانفتاح والحوار وبحث آفاق المرحلة المقبلة وكيفية تحصين الساحة اللبنانية لحمايتها من الاخطار القادمة. وقد وجد رئيس التيار عند الرئيس الجميل الارادة على الحوار الصادق وفتح صفحات جديدة في المرحلة المقبلة تقي لبنان الكثير من الاخطار".

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[vicking]

Originally Posted by revolution425

I think the only hope for Christians in Lebanon is the implementation of a non-sectarian system. Their numbers simply don't hold and its only going to get worst in the future. Time for this country to move forward from this disease. Hopefully, the Christians will be the engine to push for that change since they have the most to lose.(3asa an takraho shy2an wa howa 5yron lakom)

I strongly disagree

1/ Christian represents some 40% of this population in country.. and dont forget all the non-Lebanese resident and the Lebanese who do not have citizenship

2/ By adding 200 000 Sunni in 1994, Hariri could play with demographics. BY FACT, I know that more than 300 000 Iraqi Christian would move and live in Lebanon (one of my familly is working with them at the UN). ALL Applications are being rejected, so they dont even apply for citizenship.
Giving citizenship to some 300 000 Iraqi Christian will compensate the 1994 ILLEGAL LAW and will bring back the balance.

3/ IF and I say IF... we start seing a real threat against our security... we dont care of asking anyone : WE CUT THIS COUNTRY !
Technically we are packed in Christian regions thus have absolute power on the ground.. we will cut Lebanon if we see a risk on our existence.. we dont care of anyone else than ourselves if a risk on our existance as we have today.

4/ I repeat : selling a land to a foreigner is a CRIME. Any person who sell appartments/lands to foreigners MUST be denounced publicly. Please do not hesitate to throw NAMES !!!

Dont worry.. we are here to stay for a very very very long time even if the whole world is unhappy. IT IS OUR COUNTRY !Keep hope, be positive, invest in this country and never accept the pessimistic atmosphere our opponents LOVE to put within us...

[revolution425]

Originally Posted by vicking

I strongly disagree

1/ Christian represents some 40% of this population in country.. and dont forget all the non-Lebanese resident and the Lebanese who do not have citizenship

2/ By adding 200 000 Sunni in 1994, Hariri could play with demographics. BY FACT, I know that more than 300 000 Iraqi Christian would move and live in Lebanon (one of my familly is working with them at the UN). ALL Applications are being rejected, so they dont even apply for citizenship.
Giving citizenship to some 300 000 Iraqi Christian will compensate the 1994 ILLEGAL LAW and will bring back the balance.

3/ IF and I say IF... we start seing a real threat against our security... we dont care of asking anyone : WE CUT THIS COUNTRY !
Technically we are packed in Christian regions thus have absolute power on the ground.. we will cut Lebanon if we see a risk on our existence.. we dont care of anyone else than ourselves if a risk on our existance as we have today.

4/ I repeat : selling a land to a foreigner is a CRIME. Any person who sell appartments/lands to foreigners MUST be denounced publicly. Please do not hesitate to throw NAMES !!!

Dont worry.. we are here to stay for a very very very long time even if the whole world is unhappy. IT IS OUR COUNTRY !Keep hope, be positive, invest in this country and never accept the pessimistic atmosphere our opponents LOVE to put within us...

with all due respect , these are not facts I can take in consideration. The situation on the ground doesn't resemble what you are trying to present. Aside from tajnis ( which I think is a bit inflated number 200000 sunni), muslims usually have more kids , immigrate less and are more likely to come back and settle in the country than their christian counterparts for reasons beyond the topic of this thread.

second this talk about taking the country out is not very responsible especially coming fro a person whose avatar says peace no matter what your reasoning behind it might be.

[vicking]

Originally Posted by revolution425

with all due respect , these are not facts I can take in consideration. The situation on the ground doesn't resemble what you are trying to present. Aside from tajnis ( which I think is a bit inflated number 200000 sunni), muslims usually have more kids , immigrate less and are more likely to come back and settle in the country than their christian counterparts for reasons beyond the topic of this thread.

second this talk about taking the country out is not very responsible especially coming fro a person whose avatar says peace no matter what your reasoning behind it might be.

I dont care of Lebanon if the Christian are under threat. Lebanon is the ONLY country in the MEA where Christian live 100% free and are participating to govern the contry (apart some people like Geagea who prefer to be under Hariri/Jumblat than Aoun).
Until now we decided to invest in the ONE UNITED Lebanon.. where both Christian and Muslims live equally. The every second we will sense a real change.. we will cut the country... and let's the whole world try to take the country from us.

To answer your question, no Muslims dont have anymore 10 children per familly... rates are approx the same... they also emigrate as mluch as us and return as much as us.

Again I have many insight info from people I know well in the ISF.


What I can tell you is that there is a tendency to say that Christian are becoming a minority .. and to instaure this idea/acceptance of "it is finish".

We must fight against this ... there is a HUGE conspiracy against us.. where they think that we will leave this country to give it to Palestinian comong direct from Israel.

It will never happen, we fought since 3000 years.. our martyrs died for us.. 20 years later, we are stilll there.. and beleive me at least as strong as before :)