Feb14 Christians: Is there really such a thing?

[sebastianhanna]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

.....and at the end of the day, M14 Christians will remain and the rest will melt away as it's happening in front of our eyes. With four years of work, we gained more than 50% of the base (that's 100% improvement on a relative basis). Post 2013, we will only be discussing M14 Christians, the rest will be fragmented and absorbed into other parties.
yalla..until we meet again ;-)
Elie

at the end of the day... yeah yeah
ok if you dropped out of high school i can see why you'd write such a thing
come on! you could do better! tell me why would fpm melt down. Boutros Harb natar da3m il christians in brazil w killon honik baza2ou 3aleih
what 100 percent r u talking about when u got the same seats and we increased our seats?

[Abotareq93]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

.....and at the end of the day, M14 Christians will remain and the rest will melt away as it's happening in front of our eyes. With four years of work, we gained more than 50% of the base (that's 100% improvement on a relative basis). Post 2013, we will only be discussing M14 Christians, the rest will be fragmented and absorbed into other parties.
yalla..until we meet again ;-)
Elie

Yes, 4 years of work, more than 750 million dollars, 120000 expatriates, support of all the Western and Arab intelligence services, na2el noufouss, the Patriarch and bishops in the Maronite mountain, Bishop Aoudeh in Ashrafieh, playing on people's fears and concerns etc and the number of your MPs is still the same; that's a real achievement.

[Alexdagreat]

Originally Posted by sebastianhanna

The title might be offending to some, i respect everyone in Lebanon, even the warlords, because we have to live together eventually.
Feb14 Christians: If you'd list them, you'd list
GEAGEA: Popular support dwindling and going down since years. Edmon N3im who was a bit popular didn't even win with the christian vote in 05, it was Shakib 2irtbewi and the other 3awni(i forgot his name sorry, il mouracha7 il tawefou2i) who won with the christian vote.
Geage only has strong support in Bcharri.
KATAEB: Amin lost against Camille Khoury even thought Pierre's blood was used, more women voted for Amine to be sympathetic... Money from Hariristan was used, mjannasin, Murr flipped on us. the list goes on with how Kataeb have no more support either like they used to in the 70's at least.
If anything jabhat il 7ouriya and Qouadama il Ouwet and Fouad Abou Nader have more support than ouwet and kataeb.
Dori Chamoun: He's even having trouble with running for office in Deir Al Qamar.
M3awwad: Zgharta, the highlight of June09, i think, proved that the zghirtewie know who they want, even when they're offered loads of money.
Caghlos: Hahahah. No i mean seriously they even voted him out in the kitle watanie and voted for that woman who doesn't even know what the great Raymond Edde believed in.
Boutros Harb: ok he's a bit strong in Batroun, well in Tannourine especially.
Obviously, the phenomenon is clear. Samir Azar has more support from christians than ouwet and Kataeb do and he's not even FPM.
Feb14 christians are leaded(again they are few) by Harir's money and once Saudi Arabia cuts the supply of money, their oxygen will be cut off.
Reality is harsh to accept to some, but the sooner the accept it, the better off Lebanon is. come on feb14 christians if you only stop and wonder who you're leading. it's not rocket science you know

is a thread like this makes you happy ? its good to cheat some one but do not cheat your self ?
I thought to ignore this thread but I saw some members believe you that's why I like to answer you
Kasirwan ... we won it all but do not forget they were almost 50% from kasirwan
elmtn we won 6 from 8 but without the Armenian votes we will not make it and if you count the Christian votes they got more than us
gbiel count the Christian votes for us and them I am sure you will not be happy
batroun ... we lost ....zahli we lost .... ashrafieh we lost
jizean we won
b3abda we won but again count the Christian as posted with the interior ministry
I suggest that you read both threads

Will the FPM survive for the coming years ?
Lessons Learned by Other Parties

[sebastianhanna]

Originally Posted by Alexdagreat

is a thread like this makes you happy ? its good to cheat some one but do not cheat your self ?
I thought to ignore this thread but I saw some members believe you that's why I like to answer you
Kasirwan ... we won it all but do not forget they were almost 50% from kasirwan
elmtn we won 6 from 8 but without the Armenian votes we will not make it and if you count the Christian votes they got more than us
gbiel count the Christian votes for us and them I am sure you will not be happy
batroun ... we lost ....zahli we lost .... ashrafieh we lost
jizean we won
b3abda we won but again count the Christian as posted with the interior ministry
I suggest that you read both threads

Will the FPM survive for the coming years ?
Lessons Learned by Other Parties

again im not saying the tayyar doesn't have work to do to work on its base for the next campaigns
but the unfortunate circumstances(which eliecedar knows about of course) of huge loads of money pouring was the main reason we lost the parliamentary majority
zahle: im from there and all the fpmers thought it was the fault of fpm for not working as hard as 2005
but the real problem was the sunni wave of 28000 people who flowed in and voted for hariri. i saw an article on tayyar.org of people being offered 800 dollars to vote. that's nothing compared to some people who were offered 5000 dollars to voted and they accepted. i wouldnt accept but the average lebanese who cant earn a decent life will accept 5000 dollars
the saudi ambassador gave 65 million dollars to fattouch and fattouch said he will give them to ibn il chahid, who in turn spent it all to win all zahle.

if only petro dolar wasn't in the game my friend, we'd be looking at a different lebanon now.

[supersonichadi]

Originally Posted by sebastianhanna

again im not saying the tayyar doesn't have work to do to work on its base for the next campaigns
but the unfortunate circumstances(which eliecedar knows about of course) of huge loads of money pouring was the main reason we lost the parliamentary majority
zahle: im from there and all the fpmers thought it was the fault of fpm for not working as hard as 2005
but the real problem was the sunni wave of 28000 people who flowed in and voted for hariri. i saw an article on tayyar.org of people being offered 800 dollars to vote. that's nothing compared to some people who were offered 5000 dollars to voted and they accepted. i wouldnt accept but the average lebanese who cant earn a decent life will accept 5000 dollars
the saudi ambassador gave 65 million dollars to fattouch and fattouch said he will give them to ibn il chahid, who in turn spent it all to win all zahle.

if only petro dolar wasn't in the game my friend, we'd be looking at a different lebanon now.

The money had a big influence, but not that much. If these people were believed really in our thoughts, they would have refused the money. Moreover, the battle was on the people who dont have a political party to follow, and F14 people knew how to gain them.

[lebanese1]

Originally Posted by supersonichadi

The money had a big influence, but not that much. If these people were believed really in our thoughts, they would have refused the money. Moreover, the battle was on the people who dont have a political party to follow, and F14 people knew how to gain them.

Yes true they brought them from abroad :)

Check the numbers and compare them to 2005. 8000 Christians at least were brought from abroad + the new 5000 sunni zahliotes moved by Fatfat and Sabe3 in 2005 and 2006!

[Alexdagreat]

The only one we should blame is us lets forget 2009 election and start to work hard for the next one all these talks are irrelevant and the patro money thingies is just an excuse to let us feel good because their petro money never worked in kasirwan or jbiel we still have more mps than our Christians opponents
in zahli if they have more Sunni registered its our fault we should know and work against it there are no excuses

[Abotareq93]

Originally Posted by Alexdagreat

The only one we should blame is us lets forget 2009 election and start to work hard for the next one all these talks are irrelevant and the patro money thingies is just an excuse to let us feel good because their petro money never worked in kasirwan or jbiel we still have more mps than our Christians opponents
in zahli if they have more Sunni registered its our fault we should know and work against it there are no excuses

Can you please explain how na2el noufouss was our mistake? Even if we knew about it before the elections, how could we have acted against it?

[Alexdagreat]

Originally Posted by Abotareq93

Can you please explain how na2el noufouss was our mistake? Even if we knew about it before the elections, how could we have acted against it?

8 march can do the same and move 20000 people to zahli

[Abotareq93]

Originally Posted by Alexdagreat

8 march can do the same and move 20000 people to zahli

No they can't because the ministers of Interior in the last 4 years belonged both to March 14th and they were both Sunni.

But I will go with you and suppose that this was possible, then should we have moved 20000 Shia or Christians?
- Christians do not have a human reservoir to move noufouss from like Sunni or Shia.
- If 20000 Shia were moved to Zahle, we would be facing the same outcome: Zahle would lose its identity as the Capital of Catholicism in the Middle East.