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University is a place of higher education, we expect people there to be more knowledgable and more open minded..... it is a place where u learn to accept different point of views without feeling offended it's a place where u learn to express yourself freely and debate with other who think differently than you .....

For all those who are against Dr pierre Sarkis expressing his opinion in the way he did:
if you are not allowed to do this in a university then where do u think this should be allowed ? the university environement by itself should be protective for all opinions .... expressing opinions and debating freely is one of the major goals of university education..... take philosophy and religion classes for example : there u have people of different convinctions discussing freely, u have atheists discussing with men of faith without beating each other up......

In Classes of political science do u really expect teachers and students not to show their opinions .... what's the point of discussions then......


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I agree with Pierre Sarkis only on one matter:
If opposition wins the election, its a decision of the lebanese people

as for the rest, i completly disagree

one particular note to the people here who are defending his freedom of speech:
1- where is Sfeir's freedom of speech?
2- as a teacher, your freedom of speech stops the moment your class starts
you teach objectively without influence directly your students

If they are influenced by you indirectly, its your obligation to offer them the opposite version of who you are. I didnt see Pierre Sarkis discussing the loyalist point of view during his class!
You can disagree with him ... No one is making u accept his point of view, but just like everyone should accept you , you should accept everyone else...

Sfeir's freedom of speech ?? ummmm when was the last time someone banned Sfeir from Bkerke for speaking his mind on a sunday morning ??

A teacher is a human being he is entitled to his own opinion and he can say it freely, his students can agree or not..... the only problem is if the teacher is biased towards students who share the same views as his and i didn't see any evidence of this with Dr Sarkis.......

U said freedom of speech stops the moment class starts ... i won't go into a debate concerning this point since i don't think Dr.sarkis wrote this article during class time .....

Discussing loyalists point of view??? do u really think that if someone started a debate about loyalist v/s opposition with him he would tell them to shut up ???

Freedom of speech only stops when u disrespect or offend someone like what Addiyar newspaper did a couple of days ago....

the action taken by the university was very wrong .... when someone writes an article in a magazine or newspaper..... the proper way to reply is by writing another article or OP-ED in the next issue stating the counter arguments......

This is freedom of speech, but unfortunately every concept is skewed in Lebanon.....
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one particular note to the people here who are defending his freedom of speech:
1- where is Sfeir's freedom of speech?
He's exercising it to the fullest and even bypassing it by using his religious position to politically influence the masses.
So actually, Sfeir's freedom of speech ought to end at Bkerki's doors and not spread outside the walls of the place.
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2- as a teacher, your freedom of speech stops the moment your class starts
you teach objectively without influence directly your students
First, the professor didn't write his article during class so I don't get where you're going with this.
Second, why are you assuming the professor brings his political affiliation to the classroom? He can have a certain affiliation and be an impeccable teacher at the same time.
Third, students have a mind of their mind. They won't get influenced by their teacher's extracurricular activities. And if anything, students usually dislike their teachers, so if there ought to be any influence, it would be certainly not in favor of the professor.
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If they are influenced by you indirectly, its your obligation to offer them the opposite version of who you are. I didnt see Pierre Sarkis discussing the loyalist point of view during his class!
And I see that you haven't got the slightest clue about this story.
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How sure are you that his contract will not be renewed? Is it something he told you about? What makes you so sure that this was the reason?
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It is the reason and they told him so.
But don't be so sure about the actions they are going to take against him.



Hint: The man has a US passport.
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How sure are you that his contract will not be renewed? Is it something he told you about? What makes you so sure that this was the reason?
lol... ok

He was informed by administration and he told us :)

I'll try to make some contacts to see if we can get an interview with him over here... (no promise though)
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I had the opportunity to have a small talk with Dr Pierre Sarkis... and you won't believe what he told me...

He told me that when he went to the patriarch to apologize last week, Patriarch Sfeir did not know what he's talking about and did not know what he has done... and when Dr. Sarkis told the patriarch that he (sarkis) wrote an article against patriarch Sfeir, the patriarch said: when was that? and where's the problem? we believe in freedom of speech...

Sarkis added: the patriarch doesn't know anything about what happened at LAU, Sarkis is shocked because the LAU Administration said that they paid Sfeir a visit to apologize in the name of LAU while Sfeir doesn't know anything about this issue...

Dr Sarkis is not banned from LAU yet... and I hope he doesn't get banned.

another brave man from Dany Chamoun's tigers, fought the palestinians, the syrians and everyone working against Lebanon does not deserve to be treated this way.
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I had the opportunity to have a small talk with Dr Pierre Sarkis... and you won't believe what he told me...

He told me that when he went to the patriarch to apologize last week, Patriarch Sfeir did not know what he's talking about and did not know what he has done... and when Dr. Sarkis told the patriarch that he (sarkis) wrote an article against patriarch Sfeir, the patriarch said: when was that? and where's the problem? we believe in freedom of speech...

Sarkis added: the patriarch doesn't know anything about what happened at LAU, Sarkis is shocked because the LAU Administration said that they paid Sfeir a visit to apologize in the name of LAU while Sfeir doesn't know anything about this issue...

Dr Sarkis is not banned from LAU yet... and I hope he doesn't get banned.

another brave man from Dany Chamoun's tigers, fought the palestinians, the syrians and everyone working against Lebanon does not deserve to be treated this way.
ok, i can start to see that this is none of my business and i'm not in his shoes, but he went to apologize to the patriarch ?

ah, jesus christ almighty..
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ok, i can start to see that this is none of my business and i'm not in his shoes, but he went to apologize to the patriarch ?

ah, jesus christ almighty..
may be he is afraid that he may not go to Heaven when he dies.
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ok, i can start to see that this is none of my business and i'm not in his shoes, but he went to apologize to the patriarch ?

ah, jesus christ almighty..
he went to express his feelings live with a little apology, he just told the patriarch that what he's doing is wrong, and to talk to him about those who spread hate from bkerke after meeting the patriarch... he also told the patriarch about his long patriotic life from fighting with noumour el ahrar till these days. it wasn't an apoligy, it was a live clarification i know this man, he doesn't really care about anyone's feelings, he just says what he feels a la sleimen bek...
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I had the opportunity to have a small talk with Dr Pierre Sarkis... and you won't believe what he told me...

He told me that when he went to the patriarch to apologize last week, Patriarch Sfeir did not know what he's talking about and did not know what he has done... and when Dr. Sarkis told the patriarch that he (sarkis) wrote an article against patriarch Sfeir, the patriarch said: when was that? and where's the problem? we believe in freedom of speech...

Sarkis added: the patriarch doesn't know anything about what happened at LAU, Sarkis is shocked because the LAU Administration said that they paid Sfeir a visit to apologize in the name of LAU while Sfeir doesn't know anything about this issue...

Dr Sarkis is not banned from LAU yet... and I hope he doesn't get banned.

another brave man from Dany Chamoun's tigers, fought the palestinians, the syrians and everyone working against Lebanon does not deserve to be treated this way.

apologize???????

why write it to start with..
in any case we have understand some people. maybe he found himself in a situation that he does not wish to be in....

no matter what he says after, the man ideas were brilliant.
as for his sacking...the university will be doing as usual a blunder...
in lebanon he can not sue them, so practically they have all teh freedom they need to terminate his contrcat.
funny, they have freedom to sack and he got none waht so ever to sue them...wa baladdddddddddd
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