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ok i retyped here what he wrote for an easier read.

No Ifs, Ands, and Buts: Patriarch Sfeir Should Resign

By Pierre Sarkis


I feel like we are living in the Dark Middle Ages when the Catholic Church was in total control of people's lives.
The Pope was the Ruler of Europe, practicing politics, striking alliances with kings, princes and feudal lords, owning wealth, riches and real estatem involved in corruption and nepotism.
People were categorized as believers, worthy of grace and salvation, or non-believers, worthy of damnation, tried and sentenced to death in Roman Catholic Tribunals, better known as the Inquisition.
Isn't this where Patriarch Sfeir and his clone, Bishop Bechara Al Rai'i seem to be living these days?
Bihsop Al Rai'i is judging who is a good Christian worthy of Church privileges and support, and who is not, and thus, should face the wrath of the church.
This religious arbitration is simpy because people oppose churche interference in the affairs of the state.

Sorry Father, i find myself asking you, for the sake of this country, the Christians and all people Living in this land, to simply resign.
Just quit Father! You have outlived your productive years and we are suffering because of your policies, decision-making and you opinions concerning some politicians. It is said that the Glory of Lebanon is given to you; I say the Destruction of Lebanon is given to you!

What do you exactly mean, Father, that if the opposition grabs power it would threaten Lebanon's stability and security?
If the opposition takes over after June 2009, it would have done so through free and trasnparant parliamentary elections, and the people would have spoken.
So we, in the opposition, will be dangerous to Lebanon? You believe you are more Lebanese than we are ?
How dare you say that 50%, maybe more of the Lebanese people who support the opposition? Are around 60% of the Christians in this coutnry, who support the Madman of Rabieh working against the best interests of Lebanon?
Do you believe all what you read and all what the real traitors, the new independists, soverignists and liberalists who robbed this country clean and their Syrian allies, tell you today?
Were they expressing these feelings during the Syrian occupation of Lebanon, or were they cheering for Roustom Ghazali, and offering him the keys to the city of Beirut?
How could you sit and talk to the same people, who along with the Syrians, held you hostage in Bkerke for 15 years? What measures of resistance, other than your so-called famous Septemtber 2000 Council of Bishops monthly statement, did you and your Dark Middle Ages Bishops call for, other than demanding Syrian's withdrawal from Lebanon?
As an objection to Syrian occupation of Lebanon, you should have conducted sit-ins at the Baabda Palace, or at Anjar, with your Bishops.
How about Civil disobedience? How soon you foret that your biggest supporter then, was the same Madman of Rabiyeh whom you consider today, to be a danger to Lebanon.
Had you had a sit-in at ANjar at the time, you would have seen all your newly-acquired allies of today, busy kissing not your hand, but the hands, feet and derrieres of their Syrian Masters. THey were never Lebanese first but catered to Arab interests.

Father, allow me to refresh your tired 80+ year memory. All the people you are embracing today are mostly responsible for the situation we are in.
Remember when the Palestinians ruled Lebanon from the late 1960s until the late 1980s?
Their LEbanese allies were the Mourabitoun, the SOcialist Progressive Party, all the SUnni Political Establishment, all the progressive parties as they were known then.
They chose to carry weapons against their Lebanese compatriots in the Phalange Party, the National Liberal PArty, the Maronite Tanzim and the Guardians of the Cedars.
They chose to fight against their Lebanese brothers.
As we were then members in political parties fighting against Palestinians, we were called isolationists, imperialists, fascits and more mroe Father, simpyl because we decided to defend our country against Palestinian hegemony.
Where were yoyu then, on the moon?

How dare you brand us dangerous to Lebanon, when we have put our lives on the line, to defend outr country?
Was your own life ever in danger in defense of this country, Sir?
If yes, tell us where and when!

Then Father, the Palestianians left, and those same people switched their loyalty to their new allies, or I shoul say, mastersm the Syrians.
Here, I should refresh your tired memory again. Waht was your position Father, regarding Syrian bombardment of Baabda Palace, the seat of the Maronite President, when the legitimately and constitutionally appointed MAdman of RAbiyeh, occupied it?

You have forgotten, haven't you? Had you supported the Madman of Rabiyeh at that time, we would not have had 15 years of Syrian occupation of out country.
When we called for the withdrawal of Syrians, way before you did in 2000, we were dragged then, by your visitors today, to jails and torture chambers.
You know who was the hero of that moment? You most beloved and cherished, solf-proclaimed Chistian Leader, Michel Al Murr who ruled this country for the Syrians, for at least 10 years, in his capacity as Minister of Interior.
Who can forget the sight on live television, during the special Matn elections, between Gabriel AL Murr, and Mirna Al Murr, for the parliamentary seat vacated by the death of a true hero, Dr. Albert Moukhaiber?
Do you remember the Gyposies, Barbarians, Tajikistanis or TUrkmenistanis, heaven knows where they came from, who showed up in different areas of the MAtn, to vote for Michel Al Murr, even though he was not a candidate?

You know why Father? Because he awarded the Lebanese nationality to total strangers, while many Lebanese, mostly christians who deserve this honor, are still fighting to get it.
Those Matn were but a small number of the thousands of people that he bestowed the Lebanese nationality on.
There is no telling how much damage this man has done to Lebanese national interests!
No doubt, the likes of Michel Al Murr are your heroes especially nowadays, because he has found God and is keeping with him, as he told Marcel Ghanem on LBC, icons, crosses and religious symbols of Medigoriet to protect him and his son Elias.
Did he have these when he gave orders during the Sryian occupation of Lebanon, to throw opposition students in jails and dungeons ?
Adn then, who do your other daily visitors represent such as, Camille Ziyadeh, Fares Said, Michel Mouawad, Carlos Edde, or Mansour Ghanem Al Bon? In what language do you, Micho and Carlos communicate?
What they all have in common is that they are pure losers who sell you lies and deceit.

Ypu have chosen to stray away from Christians public opinion.
The Christians have said their word in 2005 and gave their vote of confidence to the Madman of Rabiyeh, and until this situation changes, he shall remain the true and legitimate leader of the Christians, whether you, Father, Michel Al Murr, the old pro-Palestinian and pro-Syrian Lebanese heroes like it or not!
Were you no the one who declared, following the elections of 2005, that the Christians finally have a true, legitimate leader?
If i have a say in all of this, Michel Al Murr will be tried today on charges of high treason, for turning Lebanon into a Syrian protectorate, and for using his power and authority against his own people.
He boasted many times that he was Al Wazi Al Kabaday.
Without Syrian support, he would have been but a mouse, running from hole to hole trying to find his piece of cheese.
In the 2005 elections, he befriended the Madman of Rabiyeh like a puppy dog because he calculated he will be swamped by the Tsunami of the Madman, and will probably lose the elections.
Today, he seems to have found his piece of cheese in Bikfaya with the biggest loser of all, Amin Gemayel.
Poor Sheikh Amin! In his own lion's den, he could not beat, Camille Khoury, a total unknown.
So, in order for him to feel like he is somebody, Sheikh Amin declared himself President of the Phalange Party, just to claim the presidency of something, anything.
He is now another one of these sorry, pitiful nobodys, who are trying to convince themselves, that they are somebodys and with your blessings, Father.

Now you know why you need to resign!
You have taken sides and have become a party to the conflict and not at the same distance from everybody, as you claim to your visitors.
In one of my previous articles, i had advised you to follow the footseps of one Jerusalem Patriach, who at 75 decided he was too old for the job, and resigned.
Father, follow suit and resign!
You have done enough damage to the interests of this country as is, and much more than anyone in the opposition ranks can possibly do.
It is going to take many years to fix what you spoiled.
Therefore, i believe that remaining as the head of the Maronite Church is the biggest threat this country will ever face.
In my book, you are the worst Maronite Patriach this country has known, and will probably ever know.
When you are at your summer retreat at Dimane, just trek down to the deepest part of the Valley of Qannoubine, where your predecessors prayed Father, not played politics and divided their community and their people.
Stay down there and pray for God to forgive you, and gradually slip into oblivion.
You will do us all a great favor! oh, and before i forget, make sure you take Bishop Al Rai'i with you to the covenant of Mar Antonios Qozhaya.
They will take very good care fo him!
Plus, life in the valley feels like the Dark Middle ages.
In your last sermon few days ago, and talking about the upcoming elections, you addressed the Lebanese by saying, and I quote "If they buy you, they sell you".
Were you looking at your mirror when you said that?
Father, forgive my sincerity, honesty and bold straightforwardness!
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my thoughts on this, the guy wrote a very humble anti-corrupt church article.

i tend to bash the church with much more vigor and zeal here, so while this wasn't the toughest thing one can throw at a crummy church, it is still worth something and is his opinion, which can be tougher and smarter against the social cataclysm known as Sfeir and co if written differently.

still, him losing his job over this simple article is sure proof sign of what he wrote about, that indeed the church and her lackeys here still think they are living in the middle ages.

anyhows, i hope he quickly gets a new professor position someplace else.

as for his article, we need more articles like that and more potent.

i admire the guy for putting his name under his article and seeing what it really cost him.

but this should be just one more incentive to convince the rest of us that we should do our best in this life to send this corrupt church of lebanon back to hell and replace it with a good clean one.
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no difference between the wahhabis and our clergy
same thiking different methods

PIERRE WE ALL LOVE YOU...for what its worth.this will be a step forward in your carrer.
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El ouwet henneh yalli tchakko 3leh...
it only takes 1 head of intelligence in this country to end and close this church for good.

any one head of intelligence can simply make public the files they have on the clergy men here:

who bribed who

who got bribed by who

who slept with you

who is a pedophile

who stole what

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and this church's lifespan will be very very short lived.

sadly, the heads of intelligence pay Sfeir/Aoudeh visits and sit next to them with a nice smile while they possess on them files documenting all their divine dirt..

and that employee mufti on the payroll of harriri isn't any better either with his files.
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Now Dr. Pierre Sarkis will apply for a new post either in Europe or America, and due to his high skills and long experience he will be taken directly.

Another great mind is lost from Lebanon, all thanx to ........
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FPM doesn't want to get itself into this issue and I understand the reasons. I don't want to open this issue right now.

A lot can be done but it seems new generations of students are watching Micho Mouawad a lot. The spirits we used to spread and feel surrounded by exist no more.

Students can do stuff that hurt, alumni can do stuff that hurt, other teachers (chi bi charrif) can do stuff that hurt...

But at such times, they all run away!
FPM doesn't need to get involved. FPM knows nothing about lobbying men ta7t la ta7t.. Education issues and politics never mix, right? Students have also their rights to an academic approach on the issue, mazbout? Let many students get together and express their pure "academic" dissatisfaction with a decision that deprives them from a recognized teaching asset, and make sure the BOT knows about those students opinion.
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Now Dr. Pierre Sarkis will apply for a new post either in Europe or America, and due to his high skills and long experience he will be taken directly.

Another great mind is lost from Lebanon, all thanx to ........
Why Europe and America??? May be he should try Syria or Iran....And may be Venezuela..... He will feel welcomed.......
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Why Europe and America??? May be he should try Syria or Iran....And may be Venezuela..... He will feel welcomed.......
I am sorry. I don't understand your post. Could you please clarify your post.
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Although I condemn prosecuting anyone for his opinion, and although firing Dr Sarkis is totally unacceptable, I also must say that I think at times like this, in a country like ours, with students like we have, we should not mix politics with teaching. I mean everyday we have a fight a universities, students are fired up khelka, instructors need to actually maintain an environment where they take students out of this mess we have, which is politics (as much as possible I must say) and not actually put oil on fire.

I respect Dr. Sarkis opinion but I do not agree that he should have expressed it this way in a university publication.
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