Diaspora Election Related Issues

[J_Raad1450]

Originally Posted by sarhay

While your point is valid, unfortunatly such information is not hard to be obtained. Lebanon is small and lot of trojans could be created for the right price. Additionally, the church officials, most of them, are in bed with Hariri and every other $$ tyacoon. It does not take that much for your neighbor to provide such information, bribing archdioscese officials for such information will be piece of cake. Hariri and others know very well the number of Christians in diaspora and that is why dodge the issue of allowing them to vote where they are. So they created this personal touch of providing diaspora, Christian mainly, with free tickets and accomodation to make them feel that they are cared for. On the other hand, for more than 15 yrs, none of them even care to ask about this diaspora welfare!!! what they are doing now is a form of "slavery of conscious and character". Once on their books, they can call you for "favors" as needs arise, otherwise you are just another number!!!

On the contrary, this information is not easily obtainable. The number of Christians is a guarded secret by Bkerki, unless Sfeir ().... For example, officially my village has 5,000 voters (fictitious number), only 2,000 people voted in the last election. Where are the other 3,000 votes? Boycotted the election, abroad, disappeared? Bkerki has a "good idea" (not 100% accurate) where the other 3,000 voters. This information collection by Hariri will bridge the gap between the 2,000 and 5,000 voters.

At the end of the day, Hariri will pay money but not for airline tickets but for the statistics about Christians abroad. Geagea is playing a dangerous game.

[hunter007]

Originally Posted by sarhay

This is only a battle, not the whole war of change.

it is a democracy battle, winner or looser at the end.

[hunter007]

Can we be sure that Tickets to lebanon will be available End May- Beginning June ?

Hariri Clans are booking too many airplanes coming from Arab Countries and several other important cities in Europe , Australia, USA, and Brazil.

It is a must to think about this matter the soonest possible , otherwhise it will be too much late , we will regret it

[sarhay]

Originally Posted by J_Raad1450

On the contrary, this information is not easily obtainable. The number of Christians is a guarded secret by Bkerki, unless Sfeir ().... For example, officially my village has 5,000 voters (fictitious number), only 2,000 people voted in the last election. Where are the other 3,000 votes? Boycotted the election, abroad, disappeared? Bkerki has a "good idea" (not 100% accurate) where the other 3,000 voters. This information collection by Hariri will bridge the gap between the 2,000 and 5,000 voters.

At the end of the day, Hariri will pay money but not for airline tickets but for the statistics about Christians abroad. Geagea is playing a dangerous game.

JR, I am not going to dwell of this issue and make it harder to accomplish than its feasibility. suppose, in my village the moukhtar or any other member was paid to gather such information- you are saying it is difficult i say it is easily accessible. Once i walk in my hometown i know the number of each house occupants and their situation (present in lebanon/abroad). Wether the church hold to the information or not it will not obscure the gathering of such information. A reminder, 14 febers have access to the Lebanese consesus and embassies reocrds. However, this is not the main goal of 14 febers. their main goal still and remian to retain majority in power. It is highly naive to believe that Harb, mou3awad, etc. know the whereabouts of their corresponding voters in the diaspora and do not share such info/stat with the Hariri machine. These info are secondary- this is how things are going now. So there are many Trojan horses for different purposes and not only the SG.

[Thinkrebel]

Western USA, Specifically Los Angeles,

14-rs r offering the following in Los Angeles. 1 round trip ticket 5 days lodging on condition that you work as a mandoub...lol they r in short of people....lol This is for sure i let my friend call and ask... that was there response.

On the other hand we are on the move also.... I anticipate we will get 10 times more people then the mawallah.... LA supports FPM thats for sure.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by hunter007

Can we be sure that Tickets to lebanon will be available End May- Beginning June ?

Hariri Clans are booking too many airplanes coming from Arab Countries and several other important cities in Europe , Australia, USA, and Brazil.

It is a must to think about this matter the soonest possible , otherwhise it will be too much late , we will regret it

u can not book planes without names

in any case
why mnay assume that people who are working in europe, usa, and aus are easily bribed
these people are finacially independeent AND ONLY THE ONES THAT like 14feb will ever come.

the damage to be done , is the money spend on the resident in lebanon...

[Sayyan Benghazi]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

u can not book planes without names

in any case
why mnay assume that people who are working in europe, usa, and aus are easily bribed
these people are finacially independeent AND ONLY THE ONES THAT like 14feb will ever come.

the damage to be done , is the money spend on the resident in lebanon...

you are very wrong, and even if only their supporters will come they will make a difference if our supporters dont come, dont foget that more than 40% of the lebanese live abroad

[lebanese1]

If FPM decides to bring Lebanese from abroad to vote (which is the only solution to face the loyalists who are doing the same), does it have the financial means to cover all the costs?

[Qwiw]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

u can not book planes without names

in any case
why mnay assume that people who are working in europe, usa, and aus are easily bribed
these people are finacially independeent AND ONLY THE ONES THAT like 14feb will ever come.

the damage to be done , is the money spend on the resident in lebanon...

I think you didn't get it yet...

There is no secret... the influence of the diaspora during these elections is depending on their mobilization.
If things were normal, only hardcore supporters of each party would be ready to make the travel to Lebanon only for the voting.

But with the amount of money, Feb 14 have no limit and can attract people who are even not aware of what is going on politically in Lebanon, since they organize it completely.

So the issue lies in the motivation and thus, the mobilization... and not on the number of people who have the means for a ticket and who are supporting us in the diaspora. Yes, most of Lebanese abroad have the money to come to Lebanon but few of them are motivated and ready to make the trip at a precise period, for a short time and only for elections.

[Sayyan Benghazi]

Originally Posted by lebanese1

If FPM decides to bring Lebanese from abroad to vote (which is the only solution to face the loyalists who are doing the same), does it have the financial means to cover all the costs?

what is needed is for the FPM to cover part of the cost and not all of it, this can be done accordingly:
1- part through FPM doners and we all know that they are not few especially for election campaigns

2- and part trough the candidates