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i know the meaning.. i asked the question to emphasize my answer...

1- apparently, the Patriarch and all his dark and devilish history determines if i am a christian or not....

2- i don't know if i really want to be member of this religion/sect of that Devil Patriarch...

3- I was tought and i believed Christianity had to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Apostles and the sacrifice of all the Martyrs (not Rafiq Hariri).. apparently, The Christianity of Sfeir or perhaps Sfeirism would be a better word is all about division, discord, money, slavery.....

4- Yid7asha lal Sfeirism taba3o....

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Sfeirism. I like that. After all what he's done and excelled at, he deserves a term. I happily excommunicate myself from Sfeirism, but the Church remains mine.
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So for example if the church excommunicate aoun, he won't be allowed to run in Keserwen as a Maronite? Since he'll be officially not a christian?
While politics will play around with this, its not all that easy to excommunicate someone...anything short of swearing at the Sfeirist patriarch doesn't hold much ground. Besides, the last thing the Sfeirists would dare to do is to make move like this on GMA or any of those running on our lists. They nor any of their masters would be able to contain what is unleashed then.

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Wow a Lebanese Inquisition... and they consider themselves modern and westernized... hmm seems that they have missed some 500 years...

This is a terrible way for the clergy to cover up for their mismanagement of the church by using fear and threats. What next, will the patriarch ask God to hit GMA with thunder every time he criticizes his wrongdoing?
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at least have some minimum of respect! Bishop Rai is a respectfull person! open minded who has always worked hard to preserve The Christian Lebanese Identity. Just because one day he said something bad about Aoun he became a traitor and a salesman. [] Well the day Bkerke will dissapear from this Land all Christians will dissapear with it.
From where I stand, Bkerke is still there, under Mr kherfen's regime, and yet, the christians have been constantly disappearing as never before.. Shou awlak lei heke manna zabta ma3o?

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it will be a piece of cake for Sunnis or Shias to invade this land if not because of Bkerki. see by yourself: Egypt, Palestine, Iran, Irak. What happened there?
No way, not as long as al shar2iyye me7miyye by the holy trinity of Abou Zahra, the Professor and his Excellency.. Blessed be them.

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I cant convince you not to be against the Patriarch because we all have to admit he did many things wrong, but reaching a level of insulting Bishop Rai is a bit exagerated. Check his history then criticize. []

and if you have a minimum of education about your French revolution, you will quickly realise that it doesnt work in Lebanon
Be happy, centrist, you just earned yourself a free lane through Heaven's gate.. Bass khoud 3ala yaminak bass tou2ta3 l kou3 right after you pass it, centrists usually collide with that 3amoud al khahraba in the middle of the road, taking it for a welcoming Angel ..

As for lost folks like needfortruth and myself, we have just added nouss dazzinet excommunications to our basket of earthy bans.. No harm however, I personally stopped caring about those who parasite on people's superstitions, call them Ra3i or Mer3i..
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AL HORMAN AL KAABIIIRR

sfier will yehroum all christians of tayyar from church
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Excommunication? Are we back to the Middle Ages?
If so, then so be it. Sfeir and this Ra3e dude must be burned at the stake for being heretics and going against the teachings of Jesus Christ.


Now where are those cute LFers to warn us about the Islamic Republic bogeyman? It seems they have one right at home.
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Maronite Church Warns it Would Excommunicate those who Slander the Patriarch

Maronite Bishop of Jbeil Beshara Rai said Wednesday that those who slander Patriarch Nasrallah Sfeir will be punished by excommunication.
It is pity to have church laws that goes against the fundamental of Christianity. Jesus himself was slanders at every turn, by rivals and close friends. Peter denied him yet he made him one of the cornerstone in building the church as Jesus wanted it. Paul was a butcher of Christians yet he was forgiven and made a 180 degree turn to serve the church he persecuted and everyone know what Paul did to the church. nothing in the bible, nothing at all every mention that excommunication should be done on personal differences with the priest or bishop but rather on believing/disbelief in the message of Christ. Now my question, does the Batrak promote the message of Christ as was intended to be??

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"The church does not have political inclinations. Its duty is to enlighten peoples' consciences," Rai told a press conference at the Catholic Center for Information in Jal el-Dib, north of Beirut.
To enlighten peoples' consciences does not include to install fear and resentment in their minds and hearts.

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The patriarch's only concern, according to Rai, is to preserve the unity of faith and Lebanon's independence.
Any example of doing such in the last 20 years??? but hey, wait a minute, I take it back, yes he is unifying his parishioners in a discourse path of his dislike, and thank you for that!

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"It's a pity to see the politicization of religion and declaring war in the name of religion," he said.
Who is doing that, is it Aoun who want to declare Emarat Aounstan of pure maronity entities; or is it Sielman Frangieh trying to resurrect the glory of Al-Marada in the north that could threaten the black army battalions resides on the hill above? as for FEI, Hariri, Junblat, SG, no they are peace loving people and they cared about the maronite wellfare and never dare to use religion to declare war because they are afraid of excommunication by their respective "Batrak".

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"All patriarchs made efforts to have a single and united Lebanon. All they cared about was to protect the Lebanese entity and the unity of the faith. They paid a heavy price for that," Rai said.
Do 1920, october13 1990, 1991-current mean anything to you?

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The Episcopal commission for communication speaks on behalf of the Catholic church in Lebanon, the Bishop said. He urged media outlets to obtain the required information from the commission.

Rai said every person will be held responsible for any news story that does not cite a source from Catholic media centers.
Future media outlet are afraid, very afraid
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The Lebanese people should choose those who will represent and serve them best, Rai said about the June 7 parliamentary elections.
We'll see whom Al Sh3ab Al3need will chose as their rep. take break till then!
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"The government's responsibility is to maintain security … We ask officials not to disrupt the elections for personal reasons," he said.
Typical centrist!

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Rai said the country's political scene has been transformed into a battle field and politicians are clashing and fighting rather than competing on political programs.
Nothing new ya very reverend bishop! just different faces get used to it.
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The bishop said the church and other religions condemn a private Israeli TV show that ridiculed Jesus and Mary.

In the program, Israeli comedian Lior Shlein sarcastically denied Christian traditions — that Mary was a virgin and that Jesus walked on water — saying he was doing so as a "lesson" to Christians who deny the Holocaust.
The batrak did not issue an official condemnation memo until was asked by media. and when he condemned it, y3ani kan shi fantastic and very moving, indeed.
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One thing has to be acknowledged and that is to give big Thank You to the batrak and maronite church council for infusing more antidote into the FPM's and allies election campaign, indeed, THANK YOU!!!
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So much for the freedom of speech and freedom of expression that Sfeir have been faking to promote all these years.

So now,if you disagree with him,he calls that insulting him.And since you insulted him,you deserve excommunication.

So medieval...so kitsch.

I have an idea:

Everyone who disagrees with this new policy,should wear a T-shirt with a big inscription on it:

Proud to be excommunicated

and/or


I was excommunicated for my political opinion


It would be nice to start the campaign right after the electoral victory in June.


By the way,

Someone should explain to Sfeir that an excommunicated Christian,still votes "Christian" in Lebanon.So his problems are rather with Da2irat El Noufouss...Let him go try to solve them there first.
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CIA and the catholic church 1954 guatemala
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gomt...layer_embedded

CIA and batrak sfeir 2009 lebanon
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