Daily OTV war on Al-Haririya el siyassiya

[morrison]

Originally Posted by Ra7 NEB2A Hon

first welcome to the forum
regarding the points you mentioned:
1- this is the duty of the government so ma fi jmileh la 2ela 3layna, if saniyoura had any chance not to give OTV the permit ma ken assar.
2- it seems the new strategy of OTV is doing well, actually it was very effective since they stopped all kind of bashing on future medias as Mr. Jean Aziz Claimed since i don't watch FTV.

Thank you Ra neb2a hon,

1- Sanioura has the right not to give the permit by simply not signing, and if he refused as i said before i will be next to you attacking him
2- Excellent you had your satisfaction, but frankly i watch FTV and the interest in Aoun has decreased a long time ago, not right now..

[ecce homo]

Originally Posted by morrison

Hello ecco homo,

very easy, we are transferred from a destroyed country to a country where we can live in, many mistakes were made and many things are more needed to achieve, yet the proverb says:

the best way not to make error is doing nothing..

regards..

Hi

Sure but the errors were grave. A plastic surgery on BCD is not an achievement even if it’s pretty on the outside but the inside is still rotten. What country to live in? How many didn't leave country and are still leaving each and every day?

What we are seeing today is the legacy of Hariri’s politics (not only but he played a major part of it). Hariri thru fixing some patches of Lebanon thought that he was building a country and he disregarded all the real problems.

If you really want to build a country, then why don't you reach out? Don't you trust those who worked to liberate your country?

[misstyrious]

Originally Posted by blueblooded

And for misstyrious , hariri robed the country , you have all the freedom to think so , but please , i ask you before making judgment about this man , read non biased books and article about his economical plan . najah wakim and ghada eid are very far from being fair . I don't think that he was awarded by the UN for being corrupted . Lebanon is a model for reconstruction that is adopted these days in many countries such as afghanistan and jordan ..

When his family and supporters can account for the sudden hike that appeared in his bank balance after his death then we have something to talk about. 3 bil doesn't suddenly become 16 bil. If it were any other country he would have stood before a corruption committee way way before his death and this money would have been frozen. but hey ...'this is lebanon'.

As for the UN, awarding someone a prize is not confirmation of their greatness. Political greatness should be measured by the vote of the constituents, and i think in the case of Hariri the nays win overwhelmingly. The UN is a useless world organisation that rewards anyone who walks the walk and talks the talk of the permanent members. Which brings up the question, If it were really an unbiased organisation, why is it that only 5 nations have the right to Veto. Just because they are the economically the biggest and most powerful is no excuse considering the fact that these countries will always manipulate even kill and pillage in the name of their interests. What happens to the little man? ...well we all know what happens he gets financial help from the big boys and they take him under their wings and as long as he complies with the big brother commandments then he gets someone to voice a whimper for him in the UN

With regards to any construction work that took place in lebanon, the kickoffs were greater for Hariri than it ever was for Lebanon. He borrowed and made his personal billions and died and left the lebanese with a massive debt to pay. Does anyone see the comparison between lebanon and Iraq. they invaded in the name of democracy and freedom (american style), made their billions through the kickoffs given to these invading elite by construction and oil companies while the iraqis are left holding their life in their hands while trying to find something to eat. Hariri borrowed in the name of reconstructions got his kickoffs from the construction companies, died and left his family a nice nest egg while a lot of the lebanese cannot afford a litre of fuel to warm up their tin houses.

[Ra7 NEB2A Hon]

Originally Posted by morrison

Thank you Ra neb2a hon,

1- Sanioura has the right not to give the permit by simply not signing, and if he refused as i said before i will be next to you attacking him
2- Excellent you had your satisfaction, but frankly i watch FTV and the interest in Aoun has decreased a long time ago, not right now..

1- because he has no reason not to sign as i said ma 2elo jmileh 3layna.
2- mmmh i can see how this interest has decreased, chaoul a7la mastra.

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by morrison

Hello Dark Angel,

I know it is sanioura duty to give you the permit and if sanioura refused to give you the permit i will standing with you attacking him, but when saniuora give fpm a permit when they are in the opposition this show that PM sanioura is stateman who believes in democracy and freedom of speech..

Now about the bashing, as i said it before every political forum in lebanonis a place to bash their political opponents instead of having somekind of fruitful discussion, this also found in Lebanese network of Facebook which sadly has to be put i the trashbin,
i am not an angel also, i also get involved in the bashing game in the FM Forum, Aoun and FPM have a good share of Bashing there,
however, i just come here to have somekind of dialogue and if after a while i find that there is no progress i will go back to the FM Forum and let the bashing continue everywhere

regards..

the highlighted statement is totally off. to prove a prime minister to be a statesman you dont rely on a single act, you have evaluate his complete performance. on the other hand, to prove that prime minister is not a leader may not require more than a simple depraved act. the main test for Sanyoura's democracy was when he brushed off 1.5 million demonstrator requesting partnership in the government. he failed that test.

that said, OTV permit is a formality in comparison to what really matters, ie real partnership.

back to the topic, it is obvious that FM media controlled media never really offered any rational and intellectual backing to strengthen their political perspective, instead they have been driving for blind loyalty to Hariri and blind bashing of everyone he is in conflict with, and it is not the type of bashing you see in the average negative campaigning, FM media transcends that straight into insolence and impudence; now that's not what journalism is about.

to bash GMA and your political opponents is not the challenge. the challenge is rather being able to provide something positive not only to the masses that support you but also to the ones that dont.

Still, OTV's reaction doesn't classify under bashing, we're not accusing hariri of having a feminine side because of some presumed plastic surgery, we are simply highlighting the negative side of FM's politics by documented facts. OTV's administration did not embrace this decision out of the blue, but they waited far too long before resorting to expos FM & Hariri.

[agnostic]

Originally Posted by Ra7 NEB2A Hon

1- because he has no reason not to sign as i said ma 2elo jmileh 3layna.

you are wrong. he could have not signed and told you rou7o balto l ba7r. BTW, this is how hariri are governing the country.

[Ra7 NEB2A Hon]

Originally Posted by agnostic

you are wrong. he could have not signed and told you rou7o balto l ba7r. BTW, this is how hariri are governing the country.

eh wken chef chi ma bye3ejbo

[morrison]

Originally Posted by ecce homo

Hi

Sure but the errors were grave. A plastic surgery on BCD is not an achievement even if it’s pretty on the outside but the inside is still rotten. What country to live in? How many didn't leave country and are still leaving each and every day?

Yes but it still better to live in a destroyed country, i am from beirut and sadly beirut got his large share of distruction, so the reconstruction was important step to us, now about the people and how they are living the country, well first the most important point is to change lebanon position in the israeli arabic conflict into the neutral position while presenting our political support to the palestinian cause, this is the stance of M14 and this is why i follow their path, you can't have a stable democratic country in this greyish state..

Originally Posted by ecce homo

What we are seeing today is the legacy of Hariri’s politics (not only but he played a major part of it). Hariri thru fixing some patches of Lebanon thought that he was building a country and he disregarded all the real problems.

Well Martyr Harriri had two choices: either sit do nothing and until the circumstances changes in the region or try build the country in this awkward situation, so he chose option two, yes Hariri was in full collaboration with the syrian hegemony, however he succeeded to emerge Lebanon in some aspects a state that everywhere in the world can speak of and not as the 15th mohafaza of syria..

Originally Posted by ecce homo

If you really want to build a country, then why don't you reach out? Don't you trust those who worked to liberate your country?

well everybody collaborated in the liberation of the country,right..
the problem that the trust is not present between the two parties...

[ballack]

Originally Posted by Ra7 NEB2A Hon

eh wken chef chi ma bye3ejbo

Ra7 NEB2A Hon hayda tehdid?? halla2 foufou beballich yebke 7aram

[fidelio]

Originally Posted by morrison

Hello FPM'ers,

I am Morrison from Beirut.

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For me personally i will do as used to do Martyr Harriri with this kind attacks i will watch the show, have a nice laugh, then go back to the serious work of building a better future for Lebanon..

Regards everyone..

Here, have a treat.