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well al manar are doing it
i totally agree with agnostic. Ignore this nakira ge3ge3. Let manar do it and let OTV get harirists.
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i totally agree with agnostic. Ignore this nakira ge3ge3. Let manar do it and let OTV get harirists.
Exactly.I agree too.

Al manar Vs Geagea/LF and Otv Vs Hariri/Future seems a very good combination.

Add to it:

-Franjieh Vs Batrak.

-Wahab Vs Joumblat.

-Ali Hassan El Khalil Vs Makari

ect...ect...at each level a precise calculated response by a very well picked person of choice...Wal Badi Azlam.
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Ethics and the high ground do not always work. In the US Fox news keeps battering their opponents in a very aggressive and sometimes in my opinion in a chocking way. But it works, as all is propaganda and systematic "matraquage" has a way of getting in the viewer's mind. Look what is happening now in the US campaign: all the low blows are permitted. One has to know when to attack and when to stay low.
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Let's meditate and ponder on the infos of this article. Who is one step ahead? Let's suppose that most of the infos in the article are off base, the mere fact that SG is in the US is a huge post sign that should not be ignored. What follows next?


http://www.counterpunch.org/lamb03142008.html

Is the Bush Administration Switching Horses in Lebanon?

By FRANKLIN LAMB

Beirut

Barack v. Hillary isn't the only Presidential election game in Washington these days. There is also the Samir v. Walid v. Michel (as in Geagea, Jumblatt and Suleiman) campaign underway as each seek through direct contact and surrogates, the US imprimatur in their quests to lead Lebanon.

This week it appears that Walid's support is dropping faster than Hilary's and Suleiman may end up like Fred Thompson ("failed to live up to expectations and not enough fire in the belly for the job") and Geagea is skyrocketing faster than Barack did in February.
How so?

Despite months of heaping praises on the head of the Lebanese Army, General Michel Suleiman, the Bush Administration has pretty much decided to dump the general, for reasons noted below by US Congressional sources.

Following successful visits by Druze leader Walid Jumblatt over the winter, the Bush administration is currently hosting and vetting long-shot candidate Dr. Samir Farid Geagea. He is the leader of the Lebanese Forces (the successor to Bashir Gemayel's Kateib Phalange Militia founded by warlord Pierre Gemayel following his Berlin 'fascist epiphany' and declaration that "Lebanon needs some order like in Germany." Robert Fisk instructs us that Pierre was never really the same when he returned to Beirut following Hitler's showcase 1936 Berlin Olympics.

Despite Geagea's public image problem he is looking more promising these days (a photo showing him with his black piercing eyes and moustache with Sharon's man during the Sabra-Shatila massacre, Elie Hobeika—a very evil looking duo if ever there was one—more realistic one imagines than DreamWorks studio could create, so scary in fact that during Halloween in Lebanon one can find this particularly haunting photo on certain Palestinian Camp utility poles to scare young children).

Why Geagea's rise and the Jumblatt and Suleiman slippage?

The Current Handicap:

I. General and Head of the Lebanese Armed Forces, Michel Suleiman.

David Welch, who met with Geagea on March 12, and other administration officials, have reportedly given up on Lebanese Army Chief Michel Suleiman, not due so much to the now sixteeenth postponement of his presidential election but because Suleiman is becoming 'shop worn' plus an increasing 'buyers remorse'.

The Welch Club (a number of US neocons, Cheney, Saudi Arabia, Jordan) has lost confidence in him, according to Hill sources, and they no longer trust the general to do their bidding. Suleiman has remained dignified and has tried to walk a tight rope above 'the situation' in Lebanon including a pool of very hungry political crocodiles, as best he could. The general has respectfully met plebeians and patriarchs and sultans and salafists and has for months listened attentively and politely to the concerns of each while pledging "to put Lebanon first". That oft-heard statement is susceptible to various unsettling interpretations in Lebanon and has given pause to more than one faction. "He's too comfortable with Hezbollah and Syria", is what congressional staff members on no fewer than 11 congressional committees and subcommittees dealing with foreign policy, the Middle East, Appropriations, Armed services and Intelligence are being told as part of the 'talking points' flowing in and out of congressional offices. Many in Congress think there will be no president of Lebanon until next year at the earliest -- ten months away. Suleiman, some think, may decide to remain with his army where life is more stable.

II. Walid Jumblatt (Progressive Socialist Party—actually its neither progressive nor socialist and more a fraternity/tribe than a political party).

"Walid is over-qualified for the job", some in Washington say as they prepare to renege on earlier pledges to him. Think Georgia Congressman John Lewis' "I am 1000 per cent for Hilary"---before he dumped her for Obama a couple of week ago).

Walid could maybe overcome the problem that his IQ is said to be 'off the charts', which itself makes Washington nervous, but he has other more serious problems.

One significant legal barrier for Jumblatt is the fact that the president of Lebanon currently must be a Maronite Christian—but given the right circumstances the 'National Pact' could theoretically be changed as the Lebanese Constitution Article 45 must be in order to allow General Suleiman to be chosen President since it requires a the two-year period out of the Army for the general before he could be president. But that feat would not be easy.

Walid's fatal misstep for serious consideration to lead Lebanon was his comment last week that the Jerusalem attack on the Jewish Religious Institution, which killed 8 students, was a predictable reaction to the Israeli terrorism in Gaza. In Washington that is roughly the equivalent of "Client #9" doing Miss Kristen. That verbal act by Jumblatt sunk him and the previously admiring Israel lobby dropped him like a bad habit.

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is now aiding the Geagea effort while Walid, long a favorite at the Bush White House especially with Cheney, has been losing ground faster than when 'front runner' Rudy Giuliani imploded.

As if all this were not enough, as one Congressional Staffer reported to the Hill Rag last month "we have an 'M Problem with both Geagea and Jumblatt in our efforts to get Lebanon a suitable President. With Geagea it's M for Murder, as in four murder convictions (!) but with Jumblatt its M for Mental. Who would you choose?"

The buzz in Washington is that with Jumblatt, according to the same hill staffer, "you never know where he is coming from or when the Druze leader may show up wide-eyed from smoking something and talking crazy Voodoo or Zen ****, or whatever".

A staffer on the House Judiciary Committee explained that Jumblatt "flip flops more than Romney did and next week he may do another deal with Syria and decide Nasrallah is his channeled long lost brother from a previous life and send his militia to train with Hezbollah for Christ's sake! I am not joking. During his last visit to Washington one of his aides actually asked if Jumblatt could meet Shirley MacLaine!"

III. Dr. Samir Farid Geagea
By any stretch of the imagination, 30 months ago Samir Geagea was not anyone's (except perhaps his own) candidate for the presidency of Lebanon.

For 11 years until his July 26, 2005 release, he had been in a 6' X 8' dank cell, serving multiple death sentences converted to life with hard labor. It was a hard time. Unlike Nelson Mandela during his 27 years in prison, Geagea was not permitted to send or receive mail, to read books or periodicals containing political information about Lebanon, watch television or listen to the radio. He was handcuffed and blindfolded whenever taken out of his cell for exercise or brief visits with relatives and lawyers under the watchful eye of monitors. His guards were forbidden to converse with him beyond simple commands.

Geagea's imprisonment was because he was convicted of murdering 6 people – only a small portion of his long list of war crimes according to his enemies.

His convictions included:

• the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister, Mr. Rachid Karami
• assassination of a former leading figure in the Lebanese Forces militia, Elias Zayek
• assassination of Christian leader Dany Chamoun with his wife and two young children (ages 5 and 7)
• assassination attempt against Deputy Prime Minister/Minister of the Interior Michel Murr

Geagea was released as a result of Amnesty legislation that also freed some Al Qaeda types.

Some in Lebanon feel he should never have been freed but his many supporters, including 170,000 who signed a Petition for his release, disagree.

They argue that all the legal files and proceedings brought against him and the Lebanese Forces are without foundation. They proclaimed during his incarceration on the Lebanese Forces website: "Samir Geagea is today, the only political prisoner in Lebanon. His crime is that of exercising his democratic rights. Samir Geagea, current leader of the Lebanese Forces. The only person in the history of our country who was given a choice to either leave Lebanon and never come back or to go to prison. ... They [the Syrian-controlled Lebanese government including the Courts and most of the Judges at the time of Geagea's convictions] thought they could accuse him and everyone would believe their lies. They thought wrong and here is the world condemning them, the Australian courts condemned them for fabricating evidence; the United Nations Human Rights Committees condemned them; and all those people who value the rule of law condemned them. Samir Geagea is an example of a man who is unselfishly devoted to a significant cause. He is a true model for all who believe in a just and reconciled Lebanon".

Many consider Geagea a true Lebanese Patriot and many of his quotes are distributed around Christian areas:

• "I would prefer to remain in prison for another 20 years than bargain my beliefs for freedom." - November 2004, speaking to a delegation from the Human Rights Committee of the Lebanese Parliament

• "I have spent 11 horrific years in solitary confinement in a 6-square-meter dungeon three floors underground without sunlight or fresh air. But I endured my hardships because I was merely living my convictions." - 26 July 2005, on his release.

This week, Geagea had successful meetings with US National Security Advisor Steven Hadley who told Geagea that America was strongly committed to helping the Lebanese build an independent state, as the An-Nahar daily quoted a White House source as saying on Tuesday.

"The US is still strongly committed to help the Lebanese people fulfill their dream of building a free, independent and prosperous state," Hadley told Geagea during their discussion of the kind of military aid Lebanon needs. Geagea also met with Assistant to Vice President Cheney for National Security Affairs John Hannah and US Secretary of State Rice and one of her undersecretaries David Welch.

According to An-Nahar's correspondent in Washington, the unusually high level Geagea meetings "reflect US appraisal of him as a major March 14 movement leader". And they wanted to discuss with him ways to help the Lebanese government achieve such goals and US worries of "continuous efforts" by Syria and Hezbollah to "undermine" Premier Fouad Siniora's Cabinet.

Geagea has the 'correct' position on key issues and shares Bush administration views on practically every question. Regarding Shebaa Farms (a phony issue his delegation is claiming), disarming the Resistance (the sooner the better), the Hariri Tribunal (full steam ahead) the Damascus Arab League Conference (not until Lebanon has a President), shipping Lebanon's Palestinians out of Lebanon (ASAP-ABI--As Soon As Possible-Anywhere But Israel!) and not to be naturalized in Lebanon. Finally, but not least, Geagea, just like the former leader of his militia, the murdered Bashir Gemayel, is thought to be Israel's choice to lead Lebanon.

Geagea's people are still testing the water in Washington as they hope to meet President Bush in the coming days. Publicly Geagea's delegation still praises General Suleiman but without enthusiasm: "Our choice cannot be other than the primary choice, which is the Lebanese state and its institutions. As for the means to build this state and run it, the March 14 Forces will declare any decision we make at the appropriate time," Geagea's group told the Washington Press Corp on March 11.

Geagea is stressing in Washington that the Lebanese crisis "remains in the hands of the Lebanese, despite the fact that some factions are linked to other (foreign) powers….we are not looking for a western settlement to our cause. We have the settlement. We are looking for backing from all states of the world. We will ask for support even from China."

Geagea's dramatic rehabilitation in Bush administration eyes raised some eyebrows of its own in the House Judiciary Committee (subcommittee on Criminal Justice) when staff members and fans of Amy Winehouse, the British singer complained that she was denied a US Visa after Geagea got his (following years of being denied one). They demanded to know how an otherwise wholesome, drug troubled entertainer in rehab could fairly be denied a visa to come and receive a near record 5 Grammys, when Geagea got a visa in spite of clear and 'iron clad' US regulations forbidding it. But things quieted down and in the end Amy was also OK because Hollywood pressure squeezed the State Department and low and behold the US Embassy in London called her with the good news. But Amy declined it with a polite 'thanks but no thanks' having already made arrangements to appear at the Award's ceremony via satellite.

Geagea's Washington admirers point out that unlike other warlords in Lebanon, Geagea is said to have "an almost puritanical disdain for material concerns", as noted by historian Theodor Hanf in his voluminous study of the Lebanese war.

Washington Post correspondent Jonathan C. Randal, who is scathingly critical of Maronite militia leaders in his book on the war, described Geagea as "well-read, thoughtful, and possessed of a revolutionary soul."

When asked to summarize the reason for the apparent Bush administration switch, a legislative aid on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Subcommittee on the Middle East opined with sarcasm:

"There are two politicians in Lebanon who generally speak the truth and can be counted on to keep their word and not sell out. Hassan Nasrallah and Samir Geagea. As you know Nasrallah is not currently the Bush administration candidate."

Another added during the same conference call: "Cheney's people like Geagea because he's been tested. Nobody had the balls to defy Syria in the 1980s and early 90s. Even his pal Hobeika sold out. Geagea survived a brutal incarceration and before being jailed earned the respect of his people. Again, like Nasrallah, he is first of all a Lebanese Patriot. Geagea can't be bought. He is not afraid of Syria, Iran or anyone else. He will play ball with Israel. Lebanon could do a lot worse with what is likely heading its way".

Franklin Lamb is doing research in Lebanon and can be reached at fplamb@gmail.com
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Bush is a screwed up president and no one can predict what he'll do next, but making samir geagea a president is something that he can not do in 10 years let alone the 8 months he still has as president. Samir Geagea has alot of enemies, even the future movement would not want him as president. This article is complete bulsshit seriously.

Geagea's visit to the USA is for show only, I believe Geagea's visit was only to meet a few american officials and no one of any significance in the american administration. This really just seems like his visit to Chirac before the latter's term was over too.


P.S. who's this franklin lamb by the way, it sounds like his IQ is as high as a monkey's. Plus his name sounds creepy.

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Let's meditate and ponder on the infos of this article. Who is one step ahead? Let's suppose that most of the infos in the article are off base, the mere fact that SG is in the US is a huge post sign that should not be ignored. What follows next?


http://www.counterpunch.org/lamb03142008.html

Is the Bush Administration Switching Horses in Lebanon?

By FRANKLIN LAMB

Beirut

Barack v. Hillary isn't the only Presidential election game in Washington these days. There is also the Samir v. Walid v. Michel (as in Geagea, Jumblatt and Suleiman) campaign underway as each seek through direct contact and surrogates, the US imprimatur in their quests to lead Lebanon.

This week it appears that Walid's support is dropping faster than Hilary's and Suleiman may end up like Fred Thompson ("failed to live up to expectations and not enough fire in the belly for the job") and Geagea is skyrocketing faster than Barack did in February.
How so?

Despite months of heaping praises on the head of the Lebanese Army, General Michel Suleiman, the Bush Administration has pretty much decided to dump the general, for reasons noted below by US Congressional sources.

Following successful visits by Druze leader Walid Jumblatt over the winter, the Bush administration is currently hosting and vetting long-shot candidate Dr. Samir Farid Geagea. He is the leader of the Lebanese Forces (the successor to Bashir Gemayel's Kateib Phalange Militia founded by warlord Pierre Gemayel following his Berlin 'fascist epiphany' and declaration that "Lebanon needs some order like in Germany." Robert Fisk instructs us that Pierre was never really the same when he returned to Beirut following Hitler's showcase 1936 Berlin Olympics.

Despite Geagea's public image problem he is looking more promising these days (a photo showing him with his black piercing eyes and moustache with Sharon's man during the Sabra-Shatila massacre, Elie Hobeika—a very evil looking duo if ever there was one—more realistic one imagines than DreamWorks studio could create, so scary in fact that during Halloween in Lebanon one can find this particularly haunting photo on certain Palestinian Camp utility poles to scare young children).

Why Geagea's rise and the Jumblatt and Suleiman slippage?

The Current Handicap:

I. General and Head of the Lebanese Armed Forces, Michel Suleiman.

David Welch, who met with Geagea on March 12, and other administration officials, have reportedly given up on Lebanese Army Chief Michel Suleiman, not due so much to the now sixteeenth postponement of his presidential election but because Suleiman is becoming 'shop worn' plus an increasing 'buyers remorse'.

The Welch Club (a number of US neocons, Cheney, Saudi Arabia, Jordan) has lost confidence in him, according to Hill sources, and they no longer trust the general to do their bidding. Suleiman has remained dignified and has tried to walk a tight rope above 'the situation' in Lebanon including a pool of very hungry political crocodiles, as best he could. The general has respectfully met plebeians and patriarchs and sultans and salafists and has for months listened attentively and politely to the concerns of each while pledging "to put Lebanon first". That oft-heard statement is susceptible to various unsettling interpretations in Lebanon and has given pause to more than one faction. "He's too comfortable with Hezbollah and Syria", is what congressional staff members on no fewer than 11 congressional committees and subcommittees dealing with foreign policy, the Middle East, Appropriations, Armed services and Intelligence are being told as part of the 'talking points' flowing in and out of congressional offices. Many in Congress think there will be no president of Lebanon until next year at the earliest -- ten months away. Suleiman, some think, may decide to remain with his army where life is more stable.

II. Walid Jumblatt (Progressive Socialist Party—actually its neither progressive nor socialist and more a fraternity/tribe than a political party).

"Walid is over-qualified for the job", some in Washington say as they prepare to renege on earlier pledges to him. Think Georgia Congressman John Lewis' "I am 1000 per cent for Hilary"---before he dumped her for Obama a couple of week ago).

Walid could maybe overcome the problem that his IQ is said to be 'off the charts', which itself makes Washington nervous, but he has other more serious problems.

One significant legal barrier for Jumblatt is the fact that the president of Lebanon currently must be a Maronite Christian—but given the right circumstances the 'National Pact' could theoretically be changed as the Lebanese Constitution Article 45 must be in order to allow General Suleiman to be chosen President since it requires a the two-year period out of the Army for the general before he could be president. But that feat would not be easy.

Walid's fatal misstep for serious consideration to lead Lebanon was his comment last week that the Jerusalem attack on the Jewish Religious Institution, which killed 8 students, was a predictable reaction to the Israeli terrorism in Gaza. In Washington that is roughly the equivalent of "Client #9" doing Miss Kristen. That verbal act by Jumblatt sunk him and the previously admiring Israel lobby dropped him like a bad habit.

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is now aiding the Geagea effort while Walid, long a favorite at the Bush White House especially with Cheney, has been losing ground faster than when 'front runner' Rudy Giuliani imploded.

As if all this were not enough, as one Congressional Staffer reported to the Hill Rag last month "we have an 'M Problem with both Geagea and Jumblatt in our efforts to get Lebanon a suitable President. With Geagea it's M for Murder, as in four murder convictions (!) but with Jumblatt its M for Mental. Who would you choose?"

The buzz in Washington is that with Jumblatt, according to the same hill staffer, "you never know where he is coming from or when the Druze leader may show up wide-eyed from smoking something and talking crazy Voodoo or Zen ****, or whatever".

A staffer on the House Judiciary Committee explained that Jumblatt "flip flops more than Romney did and next week he may do another deal with Syria and decide Nasrallah is his channeled long lost brother from a previous life and send his militia to train with Hezbollah for Christ's sake! I am not joking. During his last visit to Washington one of his aides actually asked if Jumblatt could meet Shirley MacLaine!"

III. Dr. Samir Farid Geagea
By any stretch of the imagination, 30 months ago Samir Geagea was not anyone's (except perhaps his own) candidate for the presidency of Lebanon.

For 11 years until his July 26, 2005 release, he had been in a 6' X 8' dank cell, serving multiple death sentences converted to life with hard labor. It was a hard time. Unlike Nelson Mandela during his 27 years in prison, Geagea was not permitted to send or receive mail, to read books or periodicals containing political information about Lebanon, watch television or listen to the radio. He was handcuffed and blindfolded whenever taken out of his cell for exercise or brief visits with relatives and lawyers under the watchful eye of monitors. His guards were forbidden to converse with him beyond simple commands.

Geagea's imprisonment was because he was convicted of murdering 6 people – only a small portion of his long list of war crimes according to his enemies.

His convictions included:

• the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister, Mr. Rachid Karami
• assassination of a former leading figure in the Lebanese Forces militia, Elias Zayek
• assassination of Christian leader Dany Chamoun with his wife and two young children (ages 5 and 7)
• assassination attempt against Deputy Prime Minister/Minister of the Interior Michel Murr

Geagea was released as a result of Amnesty legislation that also freed some Al Qaeda types.

Some in Lebanon feel he should never have been freed but his many supporters, including 170,000 who signed a Petition for his release, disagree.

They argue that all the legal files and proceedings brought against him and the Lebanese Forces are without foundation. They proclaimed during his incarceration on the Lebanese Forces website: "Samir Geagea is today, the only political prisoner in Lebanon. His crime is that of exercising his democratic rights. Samir Geagea, current leader of the Lebanese Forces. The only person in the history of our country who was given a choice to either leave Lebanon and never come back or to go to prison. ... They [the Syrian-controlled Lebanese government including the Courts and most of the Judges at the time of Geagea's convictions] thought they could accuse him and everyone would believe their lies. They thought wrong and here is the world condemning them, the Australian courts condemned them for fabricating evidence; the United Nations Human Rights Committees condemned them; and all those people who value the rule of law condemned them. Samir Geagea is an example of a man who is unselfishly devoted to a significant cause. He is a true model for all who believe in a just and reconciled Lebanon".

Many consider Geagea a true Lebanese Patriot and many of his quotes are distributed around Christian areas:

• "I would prefer to remain in prison for another 20 years than bargain my beliefs for freedom." - November 2004, speaking to a delegation from the Human Rights Committee of the Lebanese Parliament

• "I have spent 11 horrific years in solitary confinement in a 6-square-meter dungeon three floors underground without sunlight or fresh air. But I endured my hardships because I was merely living my convictions." - 26 July 2005, on his release.

This week, Geagea had successful meetings with US National Security Advisor Steven Hadley who told Geagea that America was strongly committed to helping the Lebanese build an independent state, as the An-Nahar daily quoted a White House source as saying on Tuesday.

"The US is still strongly committed to help the Lebanese people fulfill their dream of building a free, independent and prosperous state," Hadley told Geagea during their discussion of the kind of military aid Lebanon needs. Geagea also met with Assistant to Vice President Cheney for National Security Affairs John Hannah and US Secretary of State Rice and one of her undersecretaries David Welch.

According to An-Nahar's correspondent in Washington, the unusually high level Geagea meetings "reflect US appraisal of him as a major March 14 movement leader". And they wanted to discuss with him ways to help the Lebanese government achieve such goals and US worries of "continuous efforts" by Syria and Hezbollah to "undermine" Premier Fouad Siniora's Cabinet.

Geagea has the 'correct' position on key issues and shares Bush administration views on practically every question. Regarding Shebaa Farms (a phony issue his delegation is claiming), disarming the Resistance (the sooner the better), the Hariri Tribunal (full steam ahead) the Damascus Arab League Conference (not until Lebanon has a President), shipping Lebanon's Palestinians out of Lebanon (ASAP-ABI--As Soon As Possible-Anywhere But Israel!) and not to be naturalized in Lebanon. Finally, but not least, Geagea, just like the former leader of his militia, the murdered Bashir Gemayel, is thought to be Israel's choice to lead Lebanon.

Geagea's people are still testing the water in Washington as they hope to meet President Bush in the coming days. Publicly Geagea's delegation still praises General Suleiman but without enthusiasm: "Our choice cannot be other than the primary choice, which is the Lebanese state and its institutions. As for the means to build this state and run it, the March 14 Forces will declare any decision we make at the appropriate time," Geagea's group told the Washington Press Corp on March 11.

Geagea is stressing in Washington that the Lebanese crisis "remains in the hands of the Lebanese, despite the fact that some factions are linked to other (foreign) powers….we are not looking for a western settlement to our cause. We have the settlement. We are looking for backing from all states of the world. We will ask for support even from China."

Geagea's dramatic rehabilitation in Bush administration eyes raised some eyebrows of its own in the House Judiciary Committee (subcommittee on Criminal Justice) when staff members and fans of Amy Winehouse, the British singer complained that she was denied a US Visa after Geagea got his (following years of being denied one). They demanded to know how an otherwise wholesome, drug troubled entertainer in rehab could fairly be denied a visa to come and receive a near record 5 Grammys, when Geagea got a visa in spite of clear and 'iron clad' US regulations forbidding it. But things quieted down and in the end Amy was also OK because Hollywood pressure squeezed the State Department and low and behold the US Embassy in London called her with the good news. But Amy declined it with a polite 'thanks but no thanks' having already made arrangements to appear at the Award's ceremony via satellite.

Geagea's Washington admirers point out that unlike other warlords in Lebanon, Geagea is said to have "an almost puritanical disdain for material concerns", as noted by historian Theodor Hanf in his voluminous study of the Lebanese war.

Washington Post correspondent Jonathan C. Randal, who is scathingly critical of Maronite militia leaders in his book on the war, described Geagea as "well-read, thoughtful, and possessed of a revolutionary soul."

When asked to summarize the reason for the apparent Bush administration switch, a legislative aid on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Subcommittee on the Middle East opined with sarcasm:

"There are two politicians in Lebanon who generally speak the truth and can be counted on to keep their word and not sell out. Hassan Nasrallah and Samir Geagea. As you know Nasrallah is not currently the Bush administration candidate."

Another added during the same conference call: "Cheney's people like Geagea because he's been tested. Nobody had the balls to defy Syria in the 1980s and early 90s. Even his pal Hobeika sold out. Geagea survived a brutal incarceration and before being jailed earned the respect of his people. Again, like Nasrallah, he is first of all a Lebanese Patriot. Geagea can't be bought. He is not afraid of Syria, Iran or anyone else. He will play ball with Israel. Lebanon could do a lot worse with what is likely heading its way".

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No we are not... But according to some, the LF have in their ranks Saint Charbel, Sainte Rita, Saint Hardini, etc. And the Batrak as a standard...

How can you fight such a saintly army?

They dont need all these Saints, they have Saint Samir! ..and like you said they have El Batrak!
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نعم ، الابتسام .... فالذي يعرف حقيقتهم سيبقى على دراية بها والذي اصلا هو بجاهلها سيبقى بجاهل لها ، ان هذا الاسلوب في التعاط لن يفعل الا في نفوس الموالاة لن يفعل فعله الا في نفوس من لا يسيطرون على فعلهم ورداة فعلهم من المعارضة والموالاة بالتالي وبما ان بعض لا يعرف الا لغة السلاح في اقل ظرف سيمسك بسلاحه ويتجه لحل الخلافات السياسية بالسلاح . الا تعرف تاثير الاعلام يا سيد في نفوس الناس؟
احيانا افضل حل ، الصمت او حركة بسيطة قد تقلب مقاييس ! قلت الحل بكلمة : تبطين الامور هذه من اذكى الحركات الاعلامية واقل خطر على المشاهدين الانفعاليين كحضرتك واعني هنا : "الانفعالي السياسي" .. !
euuh... thanks for the lecture.. now back to real life!

you want us to be the oppressed under the fear that the other may hold weapons against us? and then what? dude, ever heard of DIGNITY?

Again spare us the sainthood and whenever we are faced with guns we will do the necessary to protect our dignity. if yr counterpart holds weapons against your words then he is leaving you no choice but to do the necessary to protect yourself and community.
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Bush is a screwed up president and no one can predict what he'll do next, but making samir geagea a president is something that he can not do in 10 years let alone the 8 months he still has as president. Samir Geagea has alot of enemies, even the future movement would not want him as president. This article is complete bulsshit seriously.

Geagea's visit to the USA is for show only, I believe Geagea's visit was only to meet a few american officials and no one of any significance in the american administration. This really just seems like his visit to Chirac before the latter's term was over too.


P.S. who's this franklin lamb by the way, it sounds like his IQ is as high as a monkey's. Plus his name sounds creepy.
There is an article that appeared in "vanity Fair" that is making a lot of noise. "The Gaza bombshell" that you can read in the International section. The piece is extremely potent as it shows you how the US administration thinks and work.

From that article:

"In 2001, President Bush famously said that he had looked Russian president Vladimir Putin in the eye, gotten “a sense of his soul,” and found him to be “trustworthy.” According to three U.S. officials, Bush made a similar judgment about Dahlan when they first met, in 2003. All three officials recall hearing Bush say, “He’s our guy.”

They say this assessment was echoed by other key figures in the administration, including Rice and Assistant Secretary David Welch, the man in charge of Middle East policy at the State Department. “David Welch didn’t fundamentally care about Fatah,” one of his colleagues says. “He cared about results, and [he supported] whatever son of a bitch you had to support. Dahlan was the son of a bitch we happened to know best. He was a can-do kind of person. Dahlan was our guy.”

Change Dahlan's name.
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euuh... thanks for the lecture.. now back to real life!

you want us to be the oppressed under the fear that the other may hold weapons against us? and then what? dude, ever heard of DIGNITY?

Again spare us the sainthood and whenever we are faced with guns we will do the necessary to protect our dignity. if yr counterpart holds weapons against your words then he is leaving you no choice but to do the necessary to protect yourself and community.
هناك فرق يا سيد بين الواقعية وبين معرفة كيفية التصرف ، انت تتكلم عن التعامل مع الامر الواقع لا الواقعية ، فمن الامر الواقع ان رايت تهديدات موجهة الى حزب ما ان توجه تهديدات مماثلة ولكن من الواقعية ان توجه تهديدات مبطنة فتخلق رعبا اكبر في نفس المشاهد او القارئ .
الا يفعل كل يوم سياسيوا التيار الوطني الحر ما تحاول ان تقدم الاوتيفي ؟
الا يبرهنون بالوقائع يوميا سياسات الحريري المجحفة ؟
ساذكرك ببعض المحاضرات للتيار الوطني الحر على مر السنين والتي تصب في نفس الخانة :
- محاضرة حول تطور الدين العام 2006
- محاضرة حول التهجيرات في الشوف 2007
-محاضرات حول الفيدرالية ونية الكونفدرالية 2006
- محاضرات حول التحول الديمغرافي 2006
- محاضرة حول السرقات 2007
- محاضرات حول التصرفات الطائفية للاحزاب الموالية وتعريف ماهية التصرف الطائفي
2007


تلك المحاضرات كانت تواجه سياسة الحريري ، وفضحت ما فعله الحريري ، صح؟ السوا وقائع هؤلاء المعلومات ؟
بات العالم يعرف بهم ، العالم المهتم بمعرفتهم ، لا؟
اذا ، ما النفع من اثارة موضوعات ، حاليا قد لا تفعل الا اثارة حزازيات؟
هذه ليست محاضرة ، هذه نظرة ابعد من عملية "الانتقام" والهجوم المباشر في حال الهجوم!
سيدي ، احيانا من الواقعية ان تدر انك انت من تصنع الواقع وان تخلق حلولا غير تلك المعتمدة ، وسلاح الشرف وكلمة شرف واثارة والمس بشرفك هو ليس الا بطريقة ليخلق لدى السياسي الاخر ردة فعل مباشرة دون المرور بالعقل ، ومن هنا انصح التيار الوطني الحر بالتروي وعدم الانجرار لعواطف سياسية قد تكون هدامة واستعمال العقل ومن ثم التصرف لا التصرف دون عقل !

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i totally agree with agnostic. Ignore this nakira ge3ge3. Let manar do it and let OTV get harirists.
الم تلاحظ يا سيدي انهم يعلنون حربا عشوائية ، والنتيجة ترتد عليكم بطريقة عشوائية ؟

لاحظ:
- ان اغلب حروب المنار على جعجع ، تقضي بتشويه الصورة ، بالرغم من انها اصلا مشوهة ، بالتالي هم فعليا لا يشوهون شيّا لانها اصلا مشوهة ومن هنا تكبر الحزازيات بين الافراد !
- ان معظم التحديات ليس بالوقائع ، بل هي : كلام مقابل كلام !

الم يكن من الاذكى ان تتكم عملية المحالربة ببروبغندا مضادة ولكن تحت نمط لا يدركه الدارك؟
مثلا ان : تمرر نفس الرسائل ونفس الاهداف باسلوب مختلف ، كان توضع خطة شاملة بين ، الاوتيفي المنار صوت الغد واي اذاعة تابعة لكم وتربطوها وتحبكوها .
المنهجية المعتمدة هي مقابلة الكذب بالحقيقة ولكن بجرعات فينتهي المواطن دار بالحقيقة ولكن غير مصدوم من وقعها فلا تستهون بالصدمات الاعلامية :

الصدمة الاعلامية :
- تاثيرها بسيط ، المدة جد قصيرة
- قد تخلق رد فعل عنفية ( ولا ننسى الاحداث العنفية الاخيرة )
- ستخلق ردة فعل معاكسة عند الطرف الاخر فيضحض احقيقة بكلمة : هذه بروبغندا .
بالتالي من المهم والمهم جدا الا تترك المجال للعارض لرايك ان ينقض حقيقة واقعية .
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