Convince me to vote for you (Possible future Q&A page) {PLEASE READ THE FIRST POST}

[MPFL]

Originally Posted by superduper703

----
Consequently:
1. Syria: I have no problem with Lebanon being close to Syria, if the Syrians were treating Lebanon at arm's length as an independent country. They are not. However, I am willing to give FPM the benefit of the doubt and will see how things progress on this front.

Where do you currently see that Syria is not dealing with Lebanon as an independent country?

Originally Posted by superduper703

2. Hizbullah: The shift in policy is astounding. Aoun went from asking that HA lay down their arms to actually requesting that they keep their arms, even if the Shebaa Farms are liberated. He's basically given cover to an armed group that does not take orders from the Lebanese government. No brownie points on this issue.

In his defensive strategy Aoun asked for a centralized decision to face the enemy. Thus the decision to defend the country (the whole country) will come from 1 source --- The Government

Originally Posted by superduper703

3. You say that he stood with this and that. I'll try to dig up his quote when Hizbullah/Amal and other thugs were clearing up Sunni neighbourhoods back in May. I still remember him gloating. No brownie points on this claim.

The army at that point stood aside! you blame the army?
what happened in may, both parties engaged in military actions (Amal/HA vs FM & co)...both parties used weapons. It happened that Amal/HA won.
Anyway i repeat, even the army didn't interfere!

Blame the people who caused those incidents to happen. GMA or FPM are not one of those people.


A voter like you, will keep facing the same problems in 5 months time while voting.
Simply because the majority doesn't want to solve problems such as Lebanese Syrian relation and Hezballah arms. Because without those 2 subjects, they really have nothing to base their electoral campaign on.
And Since a voter like you, is having problems with FPM based on those 2 subjects than it will be the same in 5 months time.

The thing is you should see what is every Party offering as solutions for our problems. Ask any lebanese about the problems and he will list them for you without even hard thinking.

But ask them about the solutions! FPM has been offering Lebanese people solutions for the past 3 years and what is more important is the way to implement these solutions, by mean of dialogue and peace.

FPM and so called 14 March have basically the same headlines, except for fighting corruptions and Palestine arms, such as "HA arms solution" "Lebanese - Syrian Relation" but the difference is huge in matter of solving those problems.

so called 14th March deal with these issues as kids - example HA should deliver the arms - and you will have to guess how and when and what about the ISraeli threat.

Or they would deal with them based on getting electoral votes - example: They want good relations with syria but syrian are criminals and they even try delaying the good relation process.
Plus, they link they're relation with Syrian to the Saudi - Syrian relation...

[LubnanALkawi]

i dont want to try convincing you to vote for this or that

i just want to remind you of what you used to stand for and if you look back you will see how much things changed now!

do you think that things are better now or worst? the good thing syria is out but thats not enough!
where is FPM today where is it from what it used to stand for, fighting for a better Lebanon, all the sloganes we used to have will you be able to use them today as FPMer? no you wont.

FPM told you, me and many others we are for Lebanon and we fight for all its people we dont look to anybody based on his/her religion sect etc sorry but what is FPM doing today? i am one of those persons who felt betrayed by FPM because when they gained more people they changed everything they started to think about the small thing and not the big things like it used to do before! when FPM could change they sold us out

they (fpm) are telling you lebanon is like that.. this is how the system works and it force you to be like that... i say there is many way to avoid our secterian system it is not easy but you can do!

if FPM was truly secular it would stay for what it is what ever happen
if a person truly beilive in secularism he will do the same!!!

i think if a person believe in secularism today he/she should put a white paper in the vote box in the coming 2009 election

simply because there is not a single Lebanese party who is calling for secularism and work as secular party

FPM today is nothing new to Lebanon it is just another political sectarian party in Lebanon

I can tell you and everybody if you want to vote for a party to make your sect more powerful you should look first to what sect you belong to and then
if you are christian/marounite you should vote FPM
if you are Chia muslim you should vote for Hezbollah
if you are Sunni you should vote for FM
if you are Druze you should vote for PSP and so on

but if you are secular you should stay away from them and your sect is not anyones business!

i know i did talk to you more as FPMer and not as an independent that because i know who you are and what you are!

take care for now :)

[Kakou]

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

...
if FPM was truly secular it would stay for what it is what ever happen
if a person truly beilive in secularism he will do the same!!!

i think if a person believe in secularism today he/she should put a white paper in the vote box in the coming 2009 election

simply because there is not a single Lebanese party who is calling for secularism and work as secular party

FPM today is nothing new to Lebanon it is just another political sectarian party in Lebanon

...

If somebody thinks secular, it doesn't mean that he should be atheist and deny his sect nor his religion! When anyone says HOW he believes in God, it doesn't mean that he is sectarian! The sectarian is an EXTREMIST...

Anyway, I am going too much off-topic today...

بالعودة إلى الموضوع الأساسي، إذا لم يقتنع أحدهم بعد بمسيرة التيار الوطني الحر منذ كان مجموعة ثم حركة ثورويّة إستقلالية، وبمسيرة قائده الذي لم يقدّم يومًا مصلحةً على مصلحة وطنه، فمن الأفضل ألاّ يصوّت معنا! فبعد كل هذه المسيرة من المطالبة بالحقوق وتوعية الشعب عليها إلى استرداد ولو بعضٍ منها ضدّ من يدّعون الأعمال البطوليّة، من لم يقتنع بعد لن يفعل، وهو متشبّثٌ بهدف التّشبّث وليس إيمانًا منه بعدم صوابيّة ما قام ويقوم وسيقوم به التّيّار الوطني الحرّ

[LubnanALkawi]

Originally Posted by Kakou

If somebody thinks secular, it doesn't mean that he should be atheist and deny his sect nor his religion! When anyone says HOW he believes in God, it doesn't mean that he is sectarian! The sectarian is an EXTREMIST...

Anyway, I am going too much off-topic today...

بالعودة إلى الموضوع الأساسي، إذا لم يقتنع أحدهم بعد بمسيرة التيار الوطني الحر منذ كان مجموعة ثم حركة ثورويّة إستقلالية، وبمسيرة قائده الذي لم يقدّم يومًا مصلحةً على مصلحة وطنه، فمن الأفضل ألاّ يصوّت معنا! فبعد كل هذه المسيرة من المطالبة بالحقوق وتوعية الشعب عليها إلى استرداد ولو بعضٍ منها ضدّ من يدّعون الأعمال البطوليّة، من لم يقتنع بعد لن يفعل، وهو متشبّثٌ بهدف التّشبّث وليس إيمانًا منه بعدم صوابيّة ما قام ويقوم وسيقوم به التّيّار الوطني الحرّ

i have no idea how you understood that from me... i never said being secular means that the person is atheist... i never said a person should deny his/her religious beliefs but as secular person your religious beliefs dont mix with politics thats all

i only said if you care about your sect and religious beliefs politically then you should vote for the currently parties we have in Lebanon like for example

if i want the sunnist to be powerful in the political field in Lebanon or the region i have to vote for FM as sunnist and as Chiaa i have to vote for Hezbollah or if i am Marounite i will have to vote for FPM this how it is

now as secular person you should not be part of this ******** thats all im saying...

Masirat al tayyar? what ''masira'' are you talking about? do you mean getting back the christians rights? i will ask you what does FPM have anything new to give Lebanon? FPM is just another sectarian party in this country maybe you are 100% right for what you are calling but only from a sectarian perspective...

it enough with the high thinking of your self (FPM) that you are the top ones and always the right ones... dont be blinded today you were able to gain many people but the day will come when you will end up like Ahrar and maybe it will end with Jubran not getting more than ra2is baladiyet Batroun :p

[wass]

Killer point : The return of 13oct prisoners

The answer of Aoun: "The lijen are working on it and its not our responsability"
is not enough...

if Aoun came back from syria as a friend... why the political prisonners held primary because they fought in 13oct are not freed friendly too?

plz i need an answer...

i want to know if there is something done for these people who were loyal to Aoun and what FPM fought for?

[>Watani<]

Originally Posted by lubnanalkawi

if fpm was truly secular it would stay for what it is what ever happen
if a person truly beilive in secularism he will do the same!!!

i think if a person believe in secularism today he/she should put a white paper in the vote box in the coming 2009 election

simply because there is not a single lebanese party who is calling for secularism and work as secular party

fpm today is nothing new to lebanon it is just another political sectarian party in lebanon

i can tell you and everybody if you want to vote for a party to make your sect more powerful you should look first to what sect you belong to and then
if you are christian/marounite you should vote fpm
if you are chia muslim you should vote for hezbollah
if you are sunni you should vote for fm
if you are druze you should vote for psp and so on

but if you are secular you should stay away from them and your sect is not anyones business!

أنا لن أتكلمّ عن التيار الوطني الحرّ، بل سأتكلمّ فقط عن العماد عون وعن نظرته للأمر الذي تفضلت وطرحته
صحيح أن الموضوع المطروح هنا، لا يتكلمّ عن العلمانية ولكن أنت تضع شرطاً لانتخاب التيار الوطني الحرّ في الإنتخابات، فعليه أن يكون علمانياً، صحّ؟
أنت من الذين قاوموا الإحتلال السوريّ في لبنان مع العونيين، وأنت كنت مشارك بالحالة الشعبيّة القوميّة التي دعا إليها العماد عون من أجل تحرير لبنان. فإذاً، أنت تعرف تماماً أن العماد عون كان ومازال رجلاً وطنيّاً لا طائفياً لأن نظرته للبنان لم تتغيرّ وهي نظرة الوطن الواحد وليس الكونتونات. طروحاته لم تتغييرّ ولا حتى شعاراته. مشروع العماد عون للمرحلة المقبلة هو واضح تماماً وتحدث عنه بوضوح خلال زيارته إلى سوريا، وبالمختصر المفيد عنوانين واضحيين هما : الوجود الفلسطينيّ في لبنان و تعديل أكبر جريمة حصلت في لبنان وهي الطائف
لماذا حصلت تلك الحروب الأهلية الطائفية في لبنان يا ترى؟ إن استطعت الإيجابة عن هذا السؤال فأنت بحاجة لتحل الأسباب وتجد الحلول لعدم تكرار ما حصل هذا أولاً وثانياً لنسيان ما حصل والتعلمّ مما حصل ليكون عبرة في المستقبل
إن كثرة الطوائف في لبنان وعدم احترام توازنها في أي وطن كان، يؤديّ إلى الحروب والتشنجّات بينهم! من السهل جداً المطالبة بالعلمنة ولكن هل الجميع يدرك كيفيّة تطبيقها في لبنان؟ لو أن الشعب كله ينزل اليوم إلى الشارع ويطالب بهذا التغيير، فلكنا فألف خير. ولكن العماد عون يحاول إيجاد أفضل وسيلة للوصول إلى هذه النتيجة، وهذه الوسيلة سوف تأخذ وقتاً طويلاً، لأنه لا نيّة لدى أحدهم بالتغيير
العماد عون عندما يطالب بحقوق المسيحيين، لأنه وحدها تلك الطائفة مشرذمة وحقوقها مهدورة بسبب إتفاق الطائف وما آلت عليه في مختلف مؤسسات الدولة! المطالبة بحقوق تلك الطائفة ليس دليلاً أبداُ على أن هذا الرجل طائفيّ أو متحيّز لطائفة دون سواها. بل على العكس هو يقوم بعين الصواب لإعادة ميزان الدولة لطبيعته. فاليوم الميزان مائل لمختلف الطوائف وخاصة الطائفة السنيّة الكريمة (وخطر الوجود الفلسطينيّ يزيدها ميلاً أكثر فأكثر) لذا ومن باب مراقبة المستقبل، هذا الميزان سيصل إلى فترة من الزمن، إمّا سنكسر ويغادر قسم كبير من الشعب ويهاجر وإمّا سيعتدل ويعاد كل شيء إلى توازنه الطبيعيّ
هذا التوازن سيمنع الفتنة بين الطاوئف، لأنه بإعادة الحقوق للطائفة المسيحيّة، يعاد الحقّ الطبيعيّ لباقي الطوائف، إذ أن بعضهم اليوم لديه حقوق أكثر من غيره اكتسبها من الطائف
فلو افترضنا أن التوازن حصل اليوم، فعندها يمكن أن نؤكد أن المشاركة باتت سليمة وأن السياسة لن ترتبط بهواجس أيّ طائفة، وهذا ما سيؤول إليه مستقبل لبنان
أنا أرى أن العماد عون يعتبر أن كل طائفة في لبنان مثل أولاده، فهناك الإبن الضال الذي تفاهم معه وأعداه للوطن وقدّم له الثقة والمحبة، وهناك الإبن الضعيف الأصغر سناً وهو الذي يأكل دائماً اللكمات من أخوانه والطفل الأكبر سناً هو الذي يعتبر نفسه الكبير والذي يريد أن تكون كلمته وحدها المسموعة والتي وحدها ستنفذّ
فماذا يفعل الأبّ في هكذا ظرف؟ يتغاضى عمّا يحصل ولا يفكرّ بتصحيح الأمور لكيّ لا ينتقضه البعض ويقولون له أنت تحبّ الصغير أكثر من الكبير؟ هل سيخاف من كلام الناس ويغضّ النظر عن أبنائه أمّ سيهتمّ بتصحيح الأمور فيما بينهم ويبرهن للناس أنه حتى الكبير يخطىء في بعد الأحيان؟

أنا لا أنتمي إلى مختلف الطوائف التي ذكرتها ولكننيّ أنتخب التيار الوطني الحرّ وبشخصه العماد عون، لأنه هو وحده علمنيّ أن أحب وطني " لا طائفتيّ" وأن أقاوم من أجل بقائي في هذا الوطن

[>Watani<]

Originally Posted by wass

killer point : The return of 13oct prisoners

the answer of aoun: "the lijen are working on it and its not our responsability"
is not enough...

If aoun came back from syria as a friend... Why the political prisonners held primary because they fought in 13oct are not freed friendly too?

Plz i need an answer...

I want to know if there is something done for these people who were loyal to aoun and what fpm fought for?

المفقودين والمعتقلين لم يعودوا بعد اليوم قضيّة منسيّة من الدولة، فالرئيس أخذ الأمر على عاتقه وباتت القضيّة رسميّة لن يتراجع عنها كلا الطرفين لا اللبنانيّ ولا السوريّ. هذا الملف سيقفل قريباً هذا ما وعد به العماد عون. هو لن يقوم بشيء يعاكس ما يقوم به رئيس الجمهورية من مساعيّ، ولكنه عمل ويعمل كل ما استطاع لتقريب وجهات النظر والحثّ على الإنتهاء من هذا الملف الأليم نهائياً. العماد عون لن يعد أحد بعودة المعتقلين معه من سوريا، فهذه كانت أمنيات وتحليلات من قبل الإعلام. كل ما يمكن قوله، إن المسألة اليوم باتت أكثر جديّة

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by X

- In 2005 I gave my vote to FPM because FPM promised me to change and to reform, 3 years has passed and i see no change and corruption in the country is almost the same if not more.

So why did FPM fail in changing and reforming? Why will FPM succeed in 2009 when it failed in 2005? (In Change and reform)

Well not totally true! Although FPM was most of the time in the opposition and outside the government, some reforms were indeed done.

Without scratching the back of my mind, I can name right now 3 things that FPM succeeded.

- The electoral law reform (with the promise of more reforms later).
- The rights of the public sector.
- All the reforms that minister Jubran Bassil is making in the telecommunication ministry.

Of course it is still very far from all what we wish for, but this gives at least an idea, what kind of politics will be lead, if you give your trust and vote for FPM, and they get the majority in the government.

[The Jade]

I'm gonna try to be devil's advocate here

Originally Posted by MPFL

Change and reform can't be achieved within 3 years. Nevertheless if you were out of the executive power.

Change and reform requires no less than 5 years to be achieved in Lebanon, taking into consideration you have full executive power.

That's why, I don't consider that FPM failed to achieve change and reform. FPM failed in Baabda-Aaley / North elections which led to minimal force in the change and reform process.

However, I do consider that FPM indirectly started the change and reform. The under table deals and stealing state money has decreased ever since FPM was present on the political level. Other parties are starting to worry about making under table deals and stealing money.

As much as I'd like to believe that, but what kind of proofs do u have for this claim ?
I see Hariri sending money and food for electors all over Lebanon, and I don't see him worrying about anything, eventhough it's in broad daylight.

This of course doesn't mean change and reform was applied. I do see that FPM has started indirectly the change and reform eventhough the process is slow. But started directly this process through the ministries it got, like the telecommunication.

Great work at the telecom ministry, but can we have a more detailed assessment of our other ministries such as the social affairs and especially the power ministry ?

FPM continues to promise you in change and reform and is never holding back.
You should vote FPM in 2009 to make sure you give FPM the enough power to start the change and reform. Failure of FPM in 2009 is everyone's failue and it is you and me to blame for not achieving change and reform.

But there are a lot of laws that the FPM didn't pass or try to pass and that it promised in the last elections especially the internal audit and the internal elections.

FPM have delivered its promises where it could and still on its words to deliver all promises!

Well X, i tried to give a short answer but that's the shortest I could get.
I will answer your first post shortly.

[orange infection]

you should vote for the opposition cz in the last 3 years we were under 14 march government and we saw what happened to the country (without details) , and without reminding you that it was the same like before 2005 , mostly cz same ppl are still ruling us
fpm joined the gov in the last few months and we sawsome activity in these specific ministries , an activity that we're not used to , despite the fact that 14 march isstill the majority but they're doing their best
imagine how the quality of their work will be if they are free to act under their own rules.... without obstacles from ppl who may have black files and a certain past that might lead them to jail