The Coming Future, Questions FPMers need to Answer

[sarhay]

Originally Posted by Shuyu3i

I agree with you 100% but is it acceptable that HA or any party kill hariri or anyone else in lebanon? The war is over since 90's we cant just let this happen every time someone doesn't like the politics of someone else eventhough its hariri

Shuyu3i; killing is wrong regardless. In Lebanon, there is no accountability and justice is implemented by the might and money. Accusing someone without solid evidence is as bad as killing because it can generate more mayhem. The war stopped in the 90s but the mentality of galib-wa-magloub kept that war going till now even without physical destruction and elimination.
What i do not like is the preferential classification of the Lebanese martyrs; whether politicians or civilians. As long as this keep going on then you will always find disgruntle citizens rightfully criticizing the justice system, internal and international one.

[Ashrafieh_LF]

Originally Posted by sev

at first it was syria, but after syrian withdrawal and no more interference in lebanese issues..they were moving to the next step which is point the fingers towards hezbollah

after getting rid of hezbollah weapons, who will they point fingers to the killing of hariri? Thats should be a more impo question

How innocent! Saying it's HA means it's Syria as well!
FPM has been waiting 4 years for the investigation and now you want to dismiss the investigation results!?! It just proves that all those accusing you of being a HA puppet are correct. I knew it!

[joe tayyar]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

How innocent! Saying it's HA means it's Syria as well!
FPM has been waiting 4 years for the investigation and now you want to dismiss the investigation results!?! It just proves that all those accusing you of being a HA puppet are correct. I knew it!

FPM and HA want to know who killed hariri and all the others more that saad himself to put an end for this.

[teshesh]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

How innocent! Saying it's HA means it's Syria as well!
FPM has been waiting 4 years for the investigation and now you want to dismiss the investigation results!?! It just proves that all those accusing you of being a HA puppet are correct. I knew it!

there is a huge difference between accusing HA or accusing syria. 14ers can use whatever term they like to describe the relation between HA and syria, but the impact of accusing syria is nothing compared to the impact of accusing HA.
accusing syria putting aside all the credibility and political tensions and relations, remains an accusation of a regime outside of lebanon. tensions created from such an accusations are cross border.
accusing HA, putting aside the motivations and their reliability, concerns a part of the lebanese population. in this case the tension is all internal and will propagate in no time.

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by Shuyu3i

Dude, eventhough you don't care about hariri I do care about George Hawi. as I said its not acceptable that these kind of killings are still happening in lebanon even if they differ in politics than you. Think properly dont let your emotions take hold of u. We know who is hariri and what he has done, ok!!

And can you believe for a moment that Hizballa might have killed Georges Hawi???

[Ashrafieh_LF]

Originally Posted by moughtarib

In the world of 'relative morality', you can use the Racheed Karami was killed by LF argument and say, well even if HA killed Hariri lets treat them the same way the other PM killers were treated :

...3afou, 3afou, 3afou...
...La noreed naki' jirah el madi...
...Limaza nabish el kobour...

If it works for LF it should work for FPM as long as the Lebanes citizens don't really undertand the meaning of Justice nor practice it.

PS = And of course I don't believe that HA would do such a thing. 1. Rafic Hariri was a very good asset and ally to HA throughout the 90's period (remember the April accord?) 2. The Intl tribunal is partially politicized and this would be an additional Egyptian/Israeli/American pressure point in the long list of pressure points both sides (syria/Iran vs. Egypt/Israel/USA) are holding at each other.

When Nasrallah spends 11 years in jail, I will be the first to call for 3afou. Until then...

[Ashrafieh_LF]

Originally Posted by teshesh

there is a huge difference between accusing HA or accusing syria. 14ers can use whatever term they like to describe the relation between HA and syria, but the impact of accusing syria is nothing compared to the impact of accusing HA.
accusing syria putting aside all the credibility and political tensions and relations, remains an accusation of a regime outside of lebanon. tensions created from such an accusations are cross border.
accusing HA, putting aside the motivations and their reliability, concerns a part of the lebanese population. in this case the tension is all internal and will propagate in no time.

Syria planned and HA executed. It's that simple!

[Positive Balance]

I know I'm neither FPM nor HA, but just thought I'd offer a small point of discussion: I don't believe the tribunal's outcome will be accepted. Whatever it "finds", whether it is based on facts and objectivity, or on bias and distortion, a significant section of the Lebanese will reject it. If someone's party or ally is accused, the tribunal will be dismissed, and that's that. The question is only how far are Lebanese* parties willing to go in support of / opposition to the tribunal's outcomes?

*Edit: and possibly foreign

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

Syria planned and HA executed. It's that simple! []

Look at the blind man talking!

Anyway, you are not even entertaining anymore, you and all your LF fellows became utterly boring and meaningless. You might stay even in silence and let Hariri talk.

[Salmoun]

Originally Posted by GMA forever

And can you believe for a moment that Hizballa might have killed Georges Hawi???

Why not ??

At least he was informed !!! I don't think that HA mind the death of GH.