The Coming Future, Questions FPMers need to Answer

[TayyaRevolution]

Originally Posted by Shuyu3i

I didn't say our future. We will wait for the investigation but doesn't mean we cannot produce a government or look after the people. I am not saying just to STOP everything for this tribunal.

Feb14 tell us not to drag the tribunal into "internal" disputes, yet they use the threat of the tribunal to extort and blackmail us, whenever they are backed into a corner.

Whenever things aren't working into their favour, the famous shaheed pops up, and the great tribunal rears it's ugly head again. And talk of "civil war" starts spreading like wildfire

Let them try and use the tribunal to instigate civil strife. Every time they have tried to confront HA, they have failed. Even with the might of Israel, the West and Arab worlds in 2006.

[TayyaRevolution]

Originally Posted by Shuyu3i

Dude, eventhough you don't care about hariri I do care about George Hawi. as I said its not acceptable that these kind of killings are still happening in lebanon even if they differ in politics than you. Think properly dont let your emotions take hold of u. We know who is hariri and what he has done, ok!!

Firstly, your implying that these deaths are being made by one opposing group.

Secondly, why are you relying on the tribunal to get results for you? What is the responsbility of the government of the day? Are they not responsible for protecting it's citizens? Are they not responsible for investigations? What next man, if we break a nail, we have to refer it to the IT? What's the point of having a government (that had all major powers and resources behind it) that couldn't do it's job? Either they were incompetent or involved

All these assisinations did was give Feb14 a shot in the arm when it was needed. They starting with accusations and protest rallys and whatever else. Then, boom it was all over and swept under the carpet. Then when they need to bring it for political gain, they will mention it again. It's easy to point fingers.

And lastly, go and petition the government for a public holiday for George Hawi

[Shuyu3i]

Originally Posted by TAYYAR AL AOUNI

Feb14 tell us not to drag the tribunal into "internal" disputes, yet they use the threat of the tribunal to extort and blackmail us, whenever they are backed into a corner.

Whenever things aren't working into their favour, the famous shaheed pops up, and the great tribunal rears it's ugly head again. And talk of "civil war" starts spreading like wildfire

Let them try and use the tribunal to instigate civil strife. Every time they have tried to confront HA, they have failed. Even with the might of Israel, the West and Arab worlds in 2006.

I am against the tribunal being used for internal disputes or strife and I know what feb 14 is trying to do and I dont agree with it one bit. The person who killed hariri and others need to be held accountable. Justice is bigger than all parties here. How do you want a minister or a MP to be held accountable and not one who kills another?

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Shuyu3i

Dry Ice, which country is that?

The Land of Honey and Milk

[Shuyu3i]

Originally Posted by TAYYAR AL AOUNI

Firstly, your implying that these deaths are being made by one opposing group.

Secondly, why are you relying on the tribunal to get results for you? What is the responsbility of the government of the day? Are they not responsible for protecting it's citizens? Are they not responsible for investigations? What next man, if we break a nail, we have to refer it to the IT? What's the point of having a government that cant do it's job?

And lastly, go and petition the government for a public holiday for George Hawi?

1st im not implying anything. The thread is about IF HA killed hariri. I didn't open the thread ya TAYYAR AL AOUNI. I am just replying to it.

2nd, the government has been incompetent since 1992 and we all know that. You are right the government has responsibility for this but unfortunately that government is worthless as they want to use this only for political purposes.

lastly, i do agree with you. they changed the name of the airport to hariri and they didnt even give Abu anis a public holiday which shows that they don't care about anyone else except hariri which i am against.

[elias-aj]

Originally Posted by LebReporter

The questions are:

1- What will FPM do if HA is accused in the killing of Hariri?

2- You as FPMer how you will able to discuss this issue with other christians who think FPM did a mistake by allying HA?

3- Will that effect the christian street? Specialy the public of FPM? (in another word will FPM fans get effected and quit being FPMers?

4- FPM always said that they support international court, wont that effect there credibility?

5- Is FPM preparing there base by lectures or special lessons how to argue with other parties? ( what i mean is are they getting prepared for future changes)

6- If Hariri is waiting for the court to say something about HA so he pressure them to accept his terms in making government after the accusation are out, What will FPM do in that case?

I realy want to open a thread so discussion can be open between FPMers and HA Fans regarding this subject.

Someone who is accused is not necessarily guilty. However, all depends on the evidences that will be presented to the court.

Either it's politicized and the tribunal, the accusation etc. would be nothing but a joke. Or the investigations are carried out seriously and we'll have a fair trial. Obviously, we won't be able to know if the Tribunal will be fair or politicized before the evidences are disclosed.

You know what would be FPM position if HA is accused with no serious proof. I personnally don't believe that HA is involved in Hariri's assassination. I even think that the tribunal will end up being a flash in the pan. But my opinion (and opinions in general) on this subject doesn't matter.

The most dangerous case would be that HA is accused and the accusation is based on serious evidences, linking it to Hariri assassination. And we'll be able to see if the evidences are serious or not.

Now here is the most important question that can be raised today : provided that the evidences linking HA to Hariri's assassination are serious, how would HA react ? And how would HA supporters react ?

[Shuyu3i]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

The Land of Honey and Milk

LOL u scared of naming the country. I know who you are talking about and you are right.

[Ya-Shawish]

Before Jumping into the real questions and answer them I would like to make one thing clear. When the idea of MOU between FPM and HA was first discussed it turned my stomach upside down. I was a staunch opponent for shielding HA’s weapon especially when my support for the General was particularly based on his call to ban illegal arms and dismantling all militias. It took me a while before I digested this idea of allying with HA.

Through the last couple of years however, my perception of HA changed radically. Today I understand its position and support fully their initiative keeping their arms until the republic becomes strong again. Furthermore; I perceive Hezbollah as a true patriotic Lebanese community who defended my fellow compatriots back home from the aggression and the hidden agendas of the west, however I still have a take for why they supported the Syrian occupation, but that’s forgiven now. I think we passed beyond that. All this is thanks to a man called Michel Aoun, who gave me the opportunity to understand Hezbollah and remove my fears of assimilation.

Now that is out of the way here are my answers:
I think the questions are a little too subjective and there is no right answer without plunging into deep analysis. They are not a matter of yes or no or what actions should be taken or why justification should be provided. To sum it all I think that the International Tribunal is highly politicized and I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see it West biased. I think the puppeteers (U.S.A and Israel even KSA) are working tirelessly to implement all the necessary tools and fabricate the proofs to finger Hezbollah because it only serves the grand plan. Particularly breaking the new national collective created by the MOU between the FPM and HA. If it will change the Christians perception of the alliance? probably it will. I myself , and as a Christian, I would not put too much faith in the report or accusations against Hezbollah. Hezbollah has no gain in killing Hariri, Dick Cheney does!

As for what FPM would do? I don’t know, but what I am hoping they start doing is put on guards the population of possible biased accusation to serve the plan. Everything we have seen was done to set the wheels in motion again to force the neutralization; I don’t see how not accusing Hezbollah and weakening the opposition would not accelerate this process.

[>Watani<]

Originally Posted by lebreporter

well my question is:


Is fpm ready fo the media, propeganda, whatever they will do? Can they face the normal christian street and what do they need from ha to help them in this matter

عندما تمّ توقيع ورقة التفاهم بين التيار والحزب، لم يكن أحد على علم بذلك من وسائل الإعلام إلى كوادر وجمهور التيار الوطني الحرّ. وكما ظهرت الدهشة على الوجوه فمن الطبيعيّ ستتكررّ ولكن لم يعد وقعها على الأرض قويّ لقد مرّوا بتجربتين قاسيتين "حرب تموز و7أيار" التيار لم ولن يكون محضراً لأيّ نتيجة
كل حزب هو سيدّ نفسه فالتيار ليس بحاجة للمساعدة من أحد لأنه يعتمد على رأسماله

[joe tayyar]

Lets go back in time a bit.
After the withdraw of israeli troops in 2000, HA was preparing for a new war with the enemy, this annoys israel, USA, france,..... and some arab leaders, and they were also annoyed from rafik hariri who gave them a full support and full cover for what HA was doing since hariri was the PM that time.
The killing of rafik hariri was planned, maybe since day one of the withdrawal of the israeli toops in 2000, and they want to get rid of anyone strong who support HA.(inernaly and externally, Iran, Syria...).
What i meant to say is that there is a line drawn since 25 ayar 2000, to 2005(the killing of hariri and the withdrawal of the syrians)Hariri Jr took over and obeying to international orders against HA,to the come back of GMA and the MOU and the full support of HA politically and on the human side(as i said before they want to get rid of someone stong that support HA and they are trying to make it 2 in 1), to the 2006 war, to accusing HA by killing rafik hariri to get rid of them and their weapons since they couldnt take it by force, they want to end and take HA weapons with politics and make israeal confortable in the ME.
All has been planned and this will not end here, the plan is way long, who knows whats next, who knows till when maybe till 2015 or 2020.