The Coming Future, Questions FPMers need to Answer

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by sev

at first it was syria, but after syrian withdrawal and no more interference in lebanese issues..they were moving to the next step which is point the fingers towards hezbollah

after getting rid of hezbollah weapons, who will they point fingers to the killing of hariri? Thats should be a more impo question

Who knows? The Tashnag party or the Armenian community could be involved.

[freakofmeds]

Originally Posted by LebReporter

I am not trying to defend HA or trying to prove they didnt. The thing is they are accused in killing Hariri in sunni street since day 1.

Of course someone will accuse HA from day one. That is a meaningless statement. The accusations are still a horrible joke, and no one has even described why on earth HA would have the motives to commit such a disastrous move towards themselves. Out of all the years, 2005 was the least sensible time to have HA get involved in internal assassinations, let a lone the assassination of Hariri.

Remember even after the assassination of Hariri, HA did get into a political alliance with the March 14 group and the Future movement in the 2005 elections. That's because no one seriously accused HA, and till today, no one has provided any serious reasoning behind possible HA motives, let alone tangible evidence.

[>Watani<]

لو لم يتمّ اغتيال الحريري لما كان حزب الله بحث عن شريك آخر في الوطن بعد أن طعنه الجميع! فإذاً الذي قتل رفيق الحريري هو التيار الوطني الحرّ

لندخل في الجدّ وفي صلب الموضوع، لا يمكن بناء تحاليل على افتراضات غير دقيقة لأنه ما من شيء حتى الساعة يدلّ على أن المحكمة الدولية لديها إثباتات تدين أيً كان. كل ما يشاع من أخبار ليست إلاّ فرضيات
لماذا حزب الله أراد اغتيال الحريري وحكومته هي التي شرّعت وحمت المقاومة طيلة فترة 16 سنة
إن من أدخل الحريري إلى لبنان بالقوّة، هو نفسه أخرجه وبالقوّة وعلى الذكيّ أن يكتشف من
ولاختصار جميع الأسئلة التي انطرحت على فرضيّات، إن التيار الوطني الحرّ وحزب الله التقيا على ورقة تفاهم من عشر بنود أرادوا فيها تفعيل العيش المشترك بين الطائفتين اللتين يمثلان ومن ثمّ تطورّت العلاقة إلى تحالف مع التطورات الراهنة التي حصلت وهذا التحالف ليس اندماجاً
حزب الله ليس لديه أيّ مبررّ في اغتيال الحريريّ لذا وضعه لن يكون مبررّ أبداً

[moughtarib]

Originally Posted by LebReporter

Well as i said it will be accusations and Hariri for sure will say we wait till the end of the tribunal. So the effect will be basicaly on the street and there will be no clashes unless FM can handle clashes with HA.

But the main point is not about sunni/shiaa street its about the christian street and the effect on FPM to be exact.

In the world of 'relative morality', you can use the Racheed Karami was killed by LF argument and say, well even if HA killed Hariri lets treat them the same way the other PM killers were treated :

...3afou, 3afou, 3afou...
...La noreed naki' jirah el madi...
...Limaza nabish el kobour...

If it works for LF it should work for FPM as long as the Lebanes citizens don't really undertand the meaning of Justice nor practice it.

PS = And of course I don't believe that HA would do such a thing. 1. Rafic Hariri was a very good asset and ally to HA throughout the 90's period (remember the April accord?) 2. The Intl tribunal is partially politicized and this would be an additional Egyptian/Israeli/American pressure point in the long list of pressure points both sides (syria/Iran vs. Egypt/Israel/USA) are holding at each other.

[Red Phoenix]

for me if the tribunal accuses HA after all the weirdness we saw since 2005 on the lebanese scene then as far as i'm concerned this whole tribunal from the start was a scam and nothing more.

HA killing rafic in retrospect to the events that happened makes no sense at all unless put in a lying american israeli perspective to instigate a sunni shia war in lebanon also

nothing more

rafic was not the enemy of HA, who killed him is either the west, israel or islamic nutjobs

all of those three gained a lot from his death, contrary to the original shortsighted perception that syria could have something to do with it, let alone HA who has lost the most from hariri's death

i dont know what fpm does nor do i really care that much about its public position regarding this

this is my position from now

illogical pixie crp accusations will not be sold to me, tribunal or no tribunal

this is a matter of mental sanity and logic against mass social hysteria

[LebReporter]

Originally Posted by >Watani<

لو لم يتمّ اغتيال الحريري لما كان حزب الله بحث عن شريك آخر في الوطن بعد أن طعنه الجميع! فإذاً الذي قتل رفيق الحريري هو التيار الوطني الحرّ

لندخل في الجدّ وفي صلب الموضوع، لا يمكن بناء تحاليل على افتراضات غير دقيقة لأنه ما من شيء حتى الساعة يدلّ على أن المحكمة الدولية لديها إثباتات تدين أيً كان. كل ما يشاع من أخبار ليست إلاّ فرضيات
لماذا حزب الله أراد اغتيال الحريري وحكومته هي التي شرّعت وحمت المقاومة طيلة فترة 16 سنة
إن من أدخل الحريري إلى لبنان بالقوّة، هو نفسه أخرجه وبالقوّة وعلى الذكيّ أن يكتشف من
ولاختصار جميع الأسئلة التي انطرحت على فرضيّات، إن التيار الوطني الحرّ وحزب الله التقيا على ورقة تفاهم من عشر بنود أرادوا فيها تفعيل العيش المشترك بين الطائفتين اللتين يمثلان ومن ثمّ تطورّت العلاقة إلى تحالف مع التطورات الراهنة التي حصلت وهذا التحالف ليس اندماجاً
حزب الله ليس لديه أيّ مبررّ في اغتيال الحريريّ لذا وضعه لن يكون مبررّ أبداً

Well my question is:


is FPM ready fo the media, propeganda, whatever they will do? can they face the normal christian street and what do they need from HA to help them in this matter

[LebReporter]

Originally Posted by moughtarib

In the world of 'relative morality', you can use the Racheed Karami was killed by LF argument and say, well even if HA killed Hariri lets treat them the same way the other PM killers were treated :

...3afou, 3afou, 3afou...
...La noreed naki' jirah el madi...
...Limaza nabish el kobour...

If it works for LF it should work for FPM as long as the Lebanes citizens don't really undertand the meaning of Justice nor practice it.

PS = And of course I don't believe that HA would do such a thing. 1. Rafic Hariri was a very good asset and ally to HA throughout the 90's period (remember the April accord?) 2. The Intl tribunal is partially politicized and this would be an additional Egyptian/Israeli/American pressure point in the long list of pressure points both sides (syria/Iran vs. Egypt/Israel/USA) are holding at each other.

Well i am not woried about what Shiaa will tell Sunni and to be honest i dont think they care what sunni thinks after those 4 years.

My worries is, are fpm fans ready to argue about this matter? :P

[Greg Davis]

Irrespective of the outcome of the tribunal, it is clear that there is a consensus amongst the international community to disarm hisbullah and to reduce irans influence on smaller countries it intends to consume.

Leading this charge is the united states who play a very influencial/intimidating role in the un. therefore, one can assume the tribunal's results, that will most likely to be biased and possibly politicized.

It is very possible that such charges against hizbullah could provide the us with a mandate to erradicate hizbullah and split lebanon up, as they did to the yugoslavia and iraq.

Rather than internal bickering and dirty accusations, what hizbullah should be doing is shield themselves and all lebanon from another potential war that could take lebanon back 33 years.

it would be wise for hizbullah to get serious about a true national defence strategy that incorporates its military wing into the national armed forces, thus reducing the threat factor substantially.

I'm sure the fpm will remain allies with hizbullah irrespective of the outcome, but unfortunately the outlook is grim.

P.s lebreporter, i'm not fpm or ha, so if you or any fpm supporter disagree please delete.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by LebReporter

Well i am not woried about what Shiaa will tell Sunni and to be honest i dont think they care what sunni thinks after those 4 years.

My worries is, are fpm fans ready to argue about this matter? :P

i dont care about other world opinions.

as an FPM supporter i will stick with HA against the wahhabi regime no matter what. ( form my view, 14shbatt was just a normal day, other lebanese leaders were killed and no hoopla was done about their murder, why should anyone else be different?)

the tribunal was done to hit at HA in particular

so if there is war and HA lose we will lose automatically ( all christians regardless of affiliation) and if they win we will all win.

therefore i will stick with HA and shia to the end.

[Shuyu3i]

The tribunal in the beginning was just pure politics with mehlis but now and after the 4 generals were out it looks like its back on track. If and thats if the tribunal shows evidence showing that HA or any other party killed hariri then FPM and all the lebanese should start thinking long and hard. I dont think its acceptable anymore to kill someone just because his political convictions. Also if HA is convicted does that mean they killed the others as well like George Hawi?

Many questions need to be answered. Lets wait for the tribunal.