The Coming Future, Questions FPMers need to Answer

[LebReporter]

I hope you guys read this article first and then answer my questions.(Only FPMers answers and HA fans will have meaning the rest will be parasit).

هل يعي بلمار خطورة التورّط في لعبة الأمم؟

ابراهيم الأمين
من ليس على صلة بالأوساط اللبنانية والدولية المعنية بملف المحكمة الدولية، لا يمكنه ملاحظة «جرعة التفاؤل» الإضافية الموجودة لدى جميع العاملين على الملف هذه الأيام. قد لا تكون هناك كلمة سر تتيح لخصوم سوريا وحلفائها في لبنان، وللمقاومة على وجه الخصوص، إبداء الارتياح لتقديرات تشير إلى أن المحكمة الدولية تتجه صوب إصدار قرارات ظنية خلال شهور ستة قد تطال جهات لبنانية وسورية نافذة، تشمل بالدرجة الأولى حزب الله وقيادة الأجهزة الامنية والعسكرية السورية، وتستند إلى ملف يتعلق بشبكة الاتصالات الهاتفية التي دلّت التحقيقات على وجود دائرة محددة لها، وأن هناك معلومات مفصّلة عن أشخاصها، وغير ذلك من أمور.
الجانب السياسي من الموضوع سيظل حاضراً بقوة، حتى وإن نفى القائمون على التحقيق الدولي الأمر. ديتليف ميليس قال إنه لا يتصرف وفق حسابات سياسية، لكنّه أعدّ خطة عمل تستند إلى استنتاج سياسي أن سوريا هي التي قتلت الرئيس رفيق الحريري
البلاد تغيّرت كثيراً خلال 4 سنوات والخبث ينعكس كوارث على الجميع

واستعانت بحلفاء لها في لبنان، يملكون نفوذاً في الدولة وأجهزتها الأمنية. وفي وقت لاحق، رفض سيرج براميرتس معالجة الثغر التي برزت في عمل ميليس، وترك أمر الموقوفين لدى القضاء اللبناني إلى السلطات اللبنانية بحجة أنه ليس صاحب صلاحية، علماً بأن خلفه دانيال بلمار نفض يده من غالبية مواد ميليس، وأعاد تنظيم أمور كثيرة قام بها براميرتس، لكنّه رفض المبادرة في ملف النتائج الكارثية لعمل ميليس إلى حين قيام المحكمة وتولّيه مهمات المدّعي العام الدولي رسمياً. وهو رأى، كما فريق الادّعاء السياسي، أنه عندما أمر بالإفراج عن الضباط الأربعة إنما قام بالخطوة التي توفّر له الحصانة المهنية والأخلاقية، وتبعد عنه شبهة التسيّس، وصار لزاماً على الآخرين القبول بكل ما يصدر عن بلمار لاحقاً.
بلمار نفسه يرفض التحقيقات في كل عمليات التزوير والتضليل التي جرت على مدى 3 سنوات وأدّت إلى نتائج سياسية وإنسانية كارثية في لبنان، وهو يعدّ الأمر خارج صلاحياته، ثم يهمس في أذن من يلحّ بالسؤال: ميليس يتمتع بحصانة تمنع إخضاعه لأي تحقيق أو محاكمة. وهو في هذه الحالة يبرر لنفسه ارتكاب أي خطأ، لأنه يعرف أنه لن تكون هناك مساءلة له أو محاسبة، ما جعل رجال التحقيق الدولي يشبهون زعماء الطوائف عندنا في لبنان، لناحية أنهم فوق الشبهات وفوق القانون والمساءلة.
لكنّ بلمار الذي يدّعي إلى الآن الحياد، وأنه يعمل وفق منطق مهني احترافي، لم يشرح للجمهور سبب حصول مصادفة أنه اختيرت ناطقة جديدة باسم المحكمة (الزميلة وجد رمضان) ومستشار قانوني له (دريد بشرواي) وأنهما يعملان مع فريق الادّعاء السياسي ومؤسساته، وأنهما مقرّبان منه ويميلان إليه، وأن الأخير كتب في هذا المجال.
ستكون أمام الجميع فرصة إضافية من الوقت لتبيُّن ما يقوم به «بلمار الثالث»، على ما وصفه الأمين العام لحزب الله السيد حسن نصر الله سابقاً. لكنّ رائحة الأخطاء السياسية تعبق في الأجواء، وثمة مخاطر تتجاوز مخاطر ما شهدناه في عام 2005، إذ يبدو أن بلمار يحتاج إلى من يشرح له أن واقع لبنان تغيّر كثيراً، وكثيراً جداً، خلال السنوات التي مرّت على عمر التحقيق الدولي، وأن فكرة استخدام التحقيق لمحاصرة قوى بحجم حزب الله أو مضايقتها أو ابتزازها، تدل على سذاجة كبيرة، لكنّها تحمل في طيّاتها درجة عالية من الخبث الذي يفترض برجل مثل بلمار تفاديه مهما كلّفه الأمر، لأن محاولة افتعال مشكلة على خلفية أن الأمور تجري في مكان بعيد، تعكس فهماً خاطئاً ووهماً قد ينقلبان كوارث تتجاوز كل ما مرّ على مخيّلة اللبنانيين.

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The questions are:

1- What will FPM do if HA is accused in the killing of Hariri?

2- You as FPMer how you will able to discuss this issue with other christians who think FPM did a mistake by allying HA?

3- Will that effect the christian street? Specialy the public of FPM? (in another word will FPM fans get effected and quit being FPMers?

4- FPM always said that they support international court, wont that effect there credibility?

5- Is FPM preparing there base by lectures or special lessons how to argue with other parties? ( what i mean is are they getting prepared for future changes)

6- If Hariri is waiting for the court to say something about HA so he pressure them to accept his terms in making government after the accusation are out, What will FPM do in that case?

I realy want to open a thread so discussion can be open between FPMers and HA Fans regarding this subject.

[hannaalsayssa]

international courts are and will always be stooges to the west and in particular usa policies.

i do not expect neither justice nor the truth to ever come out.

personally any indictment is political and false.

on the other hand, due to the nature of world politics, we will be under massive pressures in FPM to distance ourselves from HA and as it looks HA will be indicted.
it is a tough situation and will only get tougher.

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by LebReporter

I hope you guys read this article first and then answer my questions.(Only FPMers answers and HA fans will have meaning the rest will be parasit)..

I have read the article and I want to congratulate you on a very interesting thread.

FPMers and HA supporters are the main ones to answer those questions it is true, the antiFPM and antiHA have a very limited participation here, mainly about asking questions or more explanations. Any bashing or attacking FPMers and HA supporters will be deleted. The topic is very clear and very interesting, and we want to keep the thread away from the usual tit for tat impotent debate.

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by LebReporter

1- What will FPM do if HA is accused in the killing of Hariri?

Facts, Facts, Facts. If the international tribunal presents facts beyond doubts that HA killed Hariri, then in my opinion FPM should wait for the response of Hizballa first and after that decide what to do in accordance.

Originally Posted by LebReporter

2- You as FPMer how you will able to discuss this issue with other christians who think FPM did a mistake by allying HA?

FPM were never ashamed of their alliances, on the contrary, they always bragged about it since it was done by deep belief and not superficial personal gains. Until now all the accusations against Hizballa are just accusations, this is why it was rather easy to defend FPM's position in the Christian street, since there was never a proof that Hizballa commited any act of crime against Lebanon or the Lebanese people. So as long as the international tribunal don't give us real proofs indicting Hizballa in the death of Hariri, our position in the Christian street will stay generally the same.

Originally Posted by LebReporter

3- Will that effect the christian street? Specialy the public of FPM? (in another word will FPM fans get effected and quit being FPMers?

I don't think it will affect a lot, maybe it won't affect at all too, since the Christian street is already polarised, the ones who are with will stay with, and the ones who are against will stay against.

Originally Posted by LebReporter

4- FPM always said that they support international court, wont that effect there credibility?

FPM said that back in 2005, that they support the international tribunal, based on the fact that this tribunal is a fair and just one. Now seeing how the investigation was made, and how the different reports were delievered, I doubt that FPM still has the same belief in the integrity of this international tribunal and support it as in the beginning.

Originally Posted by LebReporter

5- Is FPM preparing there base by lectures or special lessons how to argue with other parties? ( what i mean is are they getting prepared for future changes)

Well meetings are surely being held, but nothing out of the ordinary, lectures, lessons are good, but more than that we need a well organised media campaign to explain to the whole Lebanese people and not only FPM what is going on, and after that the FPMers will as usual get all by themselves on the right track.

Originally Posted by LebReporter

6- If Hariri is waiting for the court to say something about HA so he pressure them to accept his terms in making government after the accusation are out, What will FPM do in that case?

FPM has very clear demands, either lil sharaka wa la lil sharika! If they want us with them in the goverment, they have to accept our demands, if they don't wish to do that, let them form the government without us.

[Arze]

If the above happened, and the International Tribunal accused HA ,, We're going to witness a real Civil War.. .. Therefore,, there will be no place to defend this or that..
lets pray inou ma tssir,, otherwise Bye Bye Lebanon

[freakofmeds]

Hizbullah assassinating Hariri is the most retarded suggestion I have ever heard since the Deir spiegel article came out.

Seriously, what would be HA motives to do so? HA almost never interfered in internal politics till recently, had relatively good relations with Hariri and were planning for the next war with Israel. There is no motive whatsoever for HA to assassinate Hariri, let alone evidence. HA also time and time again showed to be the most disciplined party in Lebanon, rarely making any sort of move without clear orders and extensive discussions from the top of HA. If HA was ever involved in Hariri murder, I am pretty sure leaks / evidence would have surfaced years ago, as it would have served Israel tremendously. Israel won't ever miss an opportunity like this. Any real evidence of HA involvement in the Hariri assassination would be more valuable to Israel than all of its nuclear arsenal.

If the international court comes with such a conviction of HA, that it assassinated Hariri, it would sound as ridiculous as convicting GMA of assassinating John F Kennedy. No one will take it seriously, and the international court would lose any ounce of credibility it had left.

[Dry Ice]

If Hezbollah assassinated PM Hariri then they should issue a public apology and things are back to normal.

Seriously now, Lebanese have been killing each others for ages and still accommodating each others, what's different?

[LebReporter]

Originally Posted by Arze

If the above happened, and the International Tribunal accused HA ,, We're going to witness a real Civil War.. .. Therefore,, there will be no place to defend this or that..
lets pray inou ma tssir,, otherwise Bye Bye Lebanon

Well as i said it will be accusations and Hariri for sure will say we wait till the end of the tribunal. So the effect will be basicaly on the street and there will be no clashes unless FM can handle clashes with HA.

But the main point is not about sunni/shiaa street its about the christian street and the effect on FPM to be exact.

[LebReporter]

Originally Posted by freakofmeds

Hizbullah assassinating Hariri is the most retarded suggestion I have ever heard since the Deir spiegel article came out.

Seriously, what would be HA motives to do so? HA almost never interfered in internal politics till recently, had relatively good relations with Hariri and were planning for the next war with Israel. There is no motive whatsoever for HA to assassinate Hariri, let alone evidence. HA also time and time again showed to be the most disciplined party in Lebanon, rarely making any sort of move without clear orders and extensive discussions from the top of HA. If HA was ever involved in Hariri murder, I am pretty sure leaks / evidence would have surfaced years ago, as it would have served Israel tremendously. Israel won't ever miss an opportunity like this. Any real evidence of HA involvement in the Hariri assassination would be more valuable to Israel than all of its nuclear arsenal.

If the international court comes with such a conviction of HA, that it assassinated Hariri, it would sound as ridiculous as convicting GMA of assassinating John F Kennedy. No one will take it seriously, and the international court would lose any ounce of credibility it had left.

I am not trying to defend HA or trying to prove they didnt. The thing is they are accused in killing Hariri in sunni street since day 1.

[sev]

at first it was syria, but after syrian withdrawal and no more interference in lebanese issues..they were moving to the next step which is point the fingers towards hezbollah

after getting rid of hezbollah weapons, who will they point fingers to the killing of hariri? Thats should be a more impo question