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Petitions are useless, they work only in Denmark and Sweden.. So no petition no nothing. For most effective outcome, go à la Nasrallah and hang only one huge banner outside that church saying:

In the name of Jesus, we will cut the hands and feet and extract the stomach and kidneys of He who dares to sell this holy piece of solid architecture.. for less than 126 billion dollars so we can use them to build a space center, a robot fabric and a medical research center instead, after paying our debts, cleaning our waters and securing solar energy for every Lebanese household


and see who would dare engage in such a deal, under or over the table..
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Not sure why the Saudi businessman is being blamed. WHy not blame the church itself that decided to sell that property... and ask them why they're selling it? is it because the property is useless? is it for money? or the offer was very attractive? who is the bishop or patriarch or whatever who signed on the transaction? go after them if you want to complain.
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a mall to replace a church..cool
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where is nayla and nadim?

Hmmmmm...!!

شو القصة مزايدات؟ مين مسيحيّ أكثر؟ أهكذا تدار المعركة الإنتخابيّة في بيروت الأولى؟
الأرض للرهبنة وحقهم أن يستفيدوا منها كما يشاؤون من يمنعهم؟
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الأرض للرهبنة وحقهم أن يستفيدوا منها كما يشاؤون من يمنعهم؟
Al ard may be owned by the clergy, but God, Jesus, his apostles and each and every relic thereof is the faithful people's property. Do you think the Vatican is owned by the pope, to sell it to the highest bidder? Or maybe do you think mazar Mar Sharbel is the ownership of its serving clergy to one day consider selling it to the eccentric Emir of the Moon Island who enjoys to build small castles on holy hills?
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Al ard may be owned by the clergy, but God, Jesus, his apostles and each and every relic thereof is the faithful people's property. Do you think the Vatican is owned by the pope, to sell it to the highest bidder? Or maybe do you think mazar Mar Sharbel is the ownership of its serving clergy to one day consider selling it to the eccentric Emir of the Moon Island who enjoys to build small castles on holy hills?
Taifoon, don't you think its the body of the church (not the stones) where the probeme resides? Apparently, this body is vanishing or had mostly disappeared for this situation to arrive at this conculsion. infusing politics in this case is like convincing married man of singles lives:), if he/she acts on it; consequences will be dire and thus the damage is more than the benefit. If the body starts to recover then these transactions will vanished!
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the petition was posted in the community section save the convent of st Basil in Beirut
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شو القصة مزايدات؟ مين مسيحيّ أكثر؟ أهكذا تدار المعركة الإنتخابيّة في بيروت الأولى؟
الأرض للرهبنة وحقهم أن يستفيدوا منها كما يشاؤون من يمنعهم؟
Dear Watani

the issue is not about the fact that it's a church or a monastery that is being destroyed to build a mall instead.... think of it as a normal traditional, 400-year-old, world heritage house being destroyed.....

Does that help u to understand things and put them in their correct perspective ?

the "Wa2f" or religious properties specifically the christian ones constitute an big percentage of lebanon's surface area.... these properties are very important in preserving at least part of the old Lebanon.....the pre war lebanon.....Beirut and all major cities are becoming stuffed like garbage cans.....modern buildings are eating up all major cities ......

I can talk about jounieh for example.....this once beautiful city, lost it's identity,.....u just have to look and compare old pictures with the new ones ........a big part of the few places that remain from the old jounieh are "Wa2f" properties, because it is a known fact that the religious authorities in lebanon are almost forbidden to sell lands, very strict regulations exist in this respect, but unfortunately laws are being broken because the clergy are becoming more and more business and profit oriented .....

the same applies to Achrafiyyeh......this place is characteristic of the old Achrafiyyeh which lost a big part of its identity and plz i am not talking from a sectarian perspective here......

to make u understand things even better ... think about european countries.....lets say germany for example.....in a town where u have a church or a monastery, it is very hard to get a permission to destroy these for the sake of building a Mall ....and u know people there are not sectarian and mostly not religious but it's about the identity and traditional look of a certain place that needs to be preserved ......

No one would mind if this Mall was built in Achrafiyyeh on an empty piece of land......

I Would also like to shed light on the environmental angle of this issue.....would u prefer an nice monastery with some green spaces and trees around or a modern Mall with parking lots ??....knowing that green spaces in Beirut in general are becoming virtually inexistent.....

I salute Mr Nicolas Sehanoui for what he is doing, his interest in this issue is much appreciated.... he and this youth organization are saddened by what's happening to their town, they just couldn't sit tight and do nothing, so they decided to at least take a stand and voice their opinion hoping the religious authorities would just reconsider their hasty decision.....
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Taifoon, don't you think its the body of the church (not the stones) where the probeme resides? Apparently, this body is vanishing or had mostly disappeared for this situation to arrive at this conculsion. infusing politics in this case is like convincing married man of singles lives:), if he/she acts on it; consequences will be dire and thus the damage is more than the benefit. If the body starts to recover then these transactions will vanished!
Yes, but consider the stones as the silent majority (here also literally) and are truly most innocent for what some church organ (not really the whole body) is subjecting them to.. you see, my point is not to defend the vanity of religious artifacts, i personally couldn't care less although i still find their serenity and simple architectural existence in urban monotone habitat as a fresh breeze to the mind, eye and soul. I am only rejecting the idea of them clergy deciding such transaction on behalf of the people who actually are the real ones to decide if they want to replace that church with something else or not..
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Al ard may be owned by the clergy, but God, Jesus, his apostles and each and every relic thereof is the faithful people's property. Do you think the Vatican is owned by the pope, to sell it to the highest bidder? Or maybe do you think mazar Mar Sharbel is the ownership of its serving clergy to one day consider selling it to the eccentric Emir of the Moon Island who enjoys to build small castles on holy hills?

لماذا لا نأخذ مثلاً
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بالأشرفية أيضاً، هذه الأرض لمطرانية الروم وهي مقابل كنيسة وقبور مار متر! لقد تم إستئجار الأرض على مئة سنة من قبل رجل أعمال لبنانيّ
ستقول لي أن الأرض لم تكن كنيسة، صح ولكنها مقابل الكنسية والقبور! أيعقل؟
ستقول إنها أجار على 100 سنة وسوف يستردونها، والله يعيشنا تنشوف التجديد والتمديد
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وهذه أيضاً الحائط على الحائط مع الكنيسة ذاتها وتمّ استئجارها من السعوديين لمئة عام
هم وحدهم الرجال ذو اللباس الأسود يملكون هذه العقارات ولهم السلطة الكاملة على الأرض لفعل ما يشاؤون! هم باعوا الديانة والمسيح منذ زمن طويل جداً. فبيع كنيسة وأملاك كانت سابقاً تعود للناس في عهد العثمانيين لا تهزّ لهم جفن
وحده الله سيحاسبهم في الآخرة
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