The Christians Since Sfeir Became the Patriarch

[Pegasus]

The answer is : downhill

[hannaalsayssa]

ra3i is too old, not liked so he wont be elected

the future batrak wont be much different rest assured.

most likely the moutrans will take a cue from the VATICAN and elect an older batrak next time.

[PFC]

BS is the worst thing that happened to the Maronite church in centuries
his lack of vision,his stubbornness and his hate left us under the rule of the Syrians for 15 years and since 2005 he is doing his best to bring other foreigners to power
he is just an old member of the clergy who never reminded me of Jesus's teachings

[needfortruth]

Guys,

The whole thing about the Patriarch and his repetition of his idiotic statement about the Two Horses and the Government is to keep Aoun and FPM out of it. That is his approach to neutralize FPM and Aoun since he could all of his proxies could not beat them especially among the Christians. President Sleiman, P. Sfeir the 2nd, got in on the anti-Aoun wagon too.

Here is how Sleiman and P. Sfeir tried to lay down the ground for sidelining FPM and Aoun:

Assume Aoun and FPM won in election up to 33 or 34 members - just enough to miss the majority by like one vote, ie, the Loyalists got 65 and the Opposition got 63.

Sleiman and Sfeir kept repeating that in the election the majority should rule and the minority should stay out of the government.

In this formula, Aoun would have had to win very big in order to have any chance to get in any kind of government.

The Shia naturally (HA and Amal) would be in since no one can tell them otherwise.

So even with a 33 or 34 parliament block, perhaps the largest in the parliament under such scenario, Aoun and the Christians would be formulated out of any new government in favor of Sleiman’s and P. Sfeir’s clowns.

So as P. Sfeir repeats his position again and again, we have to put it in the proper context.

[needfortruth]

Originally Posted by Muwatin Libnani

If one side, the majority, is pulling it in the wrong direction, wouldn't the opposition's pull in the opposite direction become not just a fact but a national duty?

I think you misunderstood my statement. When I said the ‘Majority’ I meant Aoun and FPM not the Christians of the Loyalists. ‘Majority’ was referring to the party with the higher support among the Christians not the current parliamentary majority.

[needfortruth]

Originally Posted by LebanonUSA

This piece of news is what led me to write this thread.

[J. Abizeid]

Originally Posted by needfortruth

The Christians in Lebanon since Sfeir has become the Patriarch are like a carriage with one horse pushing it forward and one pushing it backward.

Therefore, Needfortruth recommends that P. Sfeir and his minority Christian representatives since 1989 to sit back relax and let the winning Christian majority represent the community and take care of its affairs.

(PS – in regards to the many anticipated retarded counter arguments, and I know this may come as a surprise to many, the Armenians are Lebanese and Christians too).

Sfeir with his fraudulent and deceiving dark angels take advantage of the fact that worshippers need spiritual guidance and leadership. I suggested once before that the Christian Lebanese need to make a drastic move like Great Britain did creating the Protestant Church of England. Lebanon has many decent and educated Christian clergymen that should be supported into starting something independent called the Church of Lebanon.

[LiNk]

Originally Posted by J. Abizeid

Sfeir with his fraudulent and deceiving dark angels take advantage of the fact that worshippers need spiritual guidance and leadership. I suggested once before that the Christian Lebanese need to make a drastic move like Great Britain did creating the Protestant Church of England. Lebanon has many decent and educated Christian clergymen that should be supported into starting something independent called the Church of Lebanon.

Do you honestly think that a new schism within the Church would make it a lot easier for everyone ? It would practically solve nothing.
Nevertheless what struck me most is that you're counting on a drastic move made by the Lebanese Christians in order to sort things out. Well, the chances of this happening is like that of Pamela Anderson still being a virgin right now. And we both wouldn't bet on that.
Anyway, if for once the Lebanese have the guts to stand up for something happening to be in their interest, then such a "drastic move" should be that of understanding this simple fact : religion is to be kept in its rightful place, which is the personal and individual level. Let every single clergyman - and that INCLUDES priests, cheikhs, patriarchs, muftis, ayatollahs, rabbis talmudists and whatever sick minded blinded by power and thirsty for more trickster - mind his own business and stick his filthy nose exclusively into his own field of expertise.
History teaches us that every time some dark age laid down its claws anywhere on the globe, then it was bolstered, established and nurtured by clerics and by "men of God". Be it directly or not.
But hey, I would still bet on Pamela Anderson. The stakes would still be higher.

[LebArmenian]

if you really think about you , once you study the moves of sfeir since he came to power you'll become more and more religious and believe that there's an antichrist and satan.

[J. Abizeid]

Originally Posted by LebArmenian

if you really think about you , once you study the moves of sfeir since he came to power you'll become more and more religious and believe that there's an antichrist and satan.

Sfeir is a unique model with special powers over the ignorant masses that gave him such powers.
Forgive me for mentioning one more time my thread http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/noble-lie-leo-strauss-neo-conservatives-march-14-leadership-40214/ about the wise and the vulgar. That’s exactly what the game is all about! The problem we see might not be a problem for the vulgar themselves because that’s exactly what they are and what makes them feel good. They’re the ones asking for guidance and, to be controlled. They don’t want the responsibility of making their own decisions. They love being blind followers.
I would like to discuss more such human behavior on my thread as soon as the dust settles there.