Christian Rights! what does it mean?

[LubnanALkawi]

What was taken by force can only be returned by force! Lebanon

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

FPM are saying that the sunni are ruling the country but i can tell you thats not what the sunnist feels... same thing goes for others!

So true... Everyone is singing the same song but to different music. It's actually funny when you read what each of us has to say. Each believes he's the victim. Maybe we're not poor beings afterall... Maybe we're just victims of stupidity since all have had their share of misery...

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

what if you are wrong what if aoun is being part of this dirty game today?

That's one possibility that i don't necessarily out rule, but I don't judge before I have solid proofs. Let GMA get to power, and let us see then.

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

using their dirty weapon means thats who ever use this weapon is dirty or will become one of them!

Getting into power by asking for his own constitutional rights, is not a dirty game.

If those constitutional rights are of a sectarian nature, then it's the constitution that is dirty.

But to become a dirty player, one must first get to those rights, and then act dirty.

So again,I don't judge before I have solid proofs. Let GMA get to power, and let us see then.

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

you seems always to blame it on the other side while you dont see those who you support what they are doing and what game they are playing!

I'm not blaming any side. On the contrary, I had the courage to clean all the communities, from the dirt that the Mafia is causing, in their names.

And that Mafia is within all the Lebanese sects and communities.

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

our problem is this sectarian speech everybody is using this is what keep the mafia ruling your country this what leads to those Mafiosos to win elections

True...But so far the blame is on the constitution. It's this constitution that makes Parties present themselves in a sectarian outfit.

It's not like we are a secular democracy and yet, people are engaging in sectarian electoral campaigns. No. We have a pure sectarian system of ruling.

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

sectarianism is what makes people vote for those who stole their money!

In a way, yes.

But it does not necessarily lead to such behavior, and no matter what, it does not justify it.

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

there is no such thing as christians civic rights and christians political rights in Lebanon because you already have them!

Me who?

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

what you are asking for have nothing to do with christian rights etc!
you are simply asking for more political power as marounite and thats all!

No it's not at all what i was saying. Read back well what i said before please.

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

now the question is why do you think it is your rights?

The Christians as entity, and any other sect in Lebanon, have political rights under this constitution. It's not me who decided so. It is a reality.

My point is that it is important for any community to have its full political rights, in order to evolve in its society.

But my other point is also that, specifically in Lebanon, getting ones own political rights means nothing, if at the end of the day, there is no such thing as a citizen's civic rights.

But my last point is that maybe in order to give back the citizen, his civic rights, you need to get to power first.

But since getting to power in Lebanon, commands you to represent a sect in government, than be it.

I don't necessarily like all what I might hear or see, but I'm a very pragmatic person, and I can understand that there are sometimes constraints that you cannot bypass at the time being, even if you have the purest intentions.

This is why I prefer to have more data at hands before I judge on performance.

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

year after year the population of muslims is growing in Lebanon what will you do after 15 years?

Give each citizen his civic rights regardless of his religion, sect or belief.

Why? Is there something else that i should think of?

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

if we want civic rights we have to start from asking for civic rights and not from sect right!

And what makes you assert that we are not asking for our civic rights daily?

But then...If the ruling Mafia won't give it to you...What choice do you have to get them back, other than to get in power?

And to get in power, what are your serious constitutional options?

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

asking for sect rights dont have any ending you will always feel like you dont have enough of your rights...

True if you're only interested in getting a sect's rights, then sit back after that, enjoy power,and do nothing to change things around and get this country out of its mess.

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

FPM are saying that the sunni are ruling the country but i can tell you thats not what the sunnist feels... same thing goes for others!

I never heard FPM talking about the Sunnis...About FM maybe, but not about the Sunnis fellow citizens.

You are maybe the one here, who is hearing sometimes sectarian speeches, where there is not much.

The FM wanted to deter GMA, by misleading the public into thinking, that whatever he says about FM, is directed to the Sunni sect.

Well...It's up to you to judge...

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

That's one possibility that i don't necessarily out rule, but I don't judge before I have solid proofs. Let GMA get to power, and let us see then.

How do you define "GMA get to power" ?

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

How do you define "GMA get to power" ?

At least to have a significant saying in the making of the national policies.

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

At least to have a significant saying in the making of the national policies.

Good. By which mechanism? He already has a seizable bloc in parliament.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Good. By which mechanism? He already has a seizable bloc in parliament.

Then if you want a coalition government, this sizable block must have a sizable representation in government...Where policies are made and executed.

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

Then if you want a coalition government, this seizable block must have a sizable representation in government...Where policies are made and executed.

If a parliamentary majority wants a coalition gov, it negotiates in earnest but mostly on its own terms as a majority bloc. If negotiations are fruitful great if not it forms a majority government and moves forward. In Lebanon this is vetoed by Hezbollah and its militia (the real power in the country).

If you want GMA to lead gov formation then he has to be part of a parliamentary majority. Let's wait and see what happens in 2013 maybe he will get his chance.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

If a parliamentary majority wants a coalition gov, it negotiates in earnest but mostly on its own terms as a majority bloc. If negotiations are fruitful great if not it forms a majority government and moves forward. In Lebanon this is vetoed by Hezbollah and its militia (the real power in the country).

If you want GMA to lead gov formation then he has to be part of a parliamentary majority. Let's wait and see what happens in 2013 maybe he will get his chance.

Joseph,

I thought you were asking me a straight question and I was giving you a straight answer. It turned out that you were only trying to introduce ( rather sneak in) your usual song into a discussion that is totally somewhere else.

Bad.

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

Joseph,

I thought you were asking me a straight question and I was giving you a straight answer. It turned out that you were only trying to introduce ( rather sneak in) your usual song into a discussion that is totally somewhere else.

Bad.

Typical ya Abou Sandal, they just can't miss the chance to bash GMA! This is what their master taught them, this is what they are used to, and this is all what they are able to do. Dream about Israel hitting Hizballah, and blame all their filth on GMA.

Same old story, walla shi bi zahhi2!