Christian Rights! what does it mean?

[LubnanALkawi]

before the 1990 people were asking for the Muslim rights
today and after the taef agreement we are hearing about the Christian rights

its never ending with so called rights!
where does those rights end?

yes Lebanon is based on sectarian system but calling for the Christian/muslims rights i dont have any clue what it should mean.. im sure everybody have the right to pray in churches mosque etc so it is not that

and we all know by saying Christian rights they dont mean the minorities sects they only mean the Marounites

so lets call it Marounites rights and not christian rights!

My question is:
1. what does the marounites rights mean for FPM?
2. why do the marounites feel like their rights are taken and why do they think it is their rights?
3. are the marounites more Lebanese than the others to have always the highest positions in the government and others governmental work places?
4. why do the marounites have 34 MPs when they are not even majority?
5. why should only a marounite become an army commander what is it based on?
6. what are those rights based on?
7. where does those rights end?

this show us how unfair system we have not only a sectarian one!
but a sect always taking the highest position/rank in almost everything it put a very big question mark and the funny thing they still feel they dont have any rights! hhmmm

if those rights are based on sectarian majority system then the marounites should give some of their positions to the real majority who ever it is today!


(just to let you know im asking those questions just to show you that calling for so called sects rights is a big failure and history proved that)

[Libnene Qu7]

Ironically, this is the plague of the Maronites. Had the Presidency not been in their possession, they would still impose a significant political weight today. Watch the other sects if they ever gained the Presidency as their "right", and see them splinter into 60 different sub-tribes. If you ask me, the best way to give the Maronites their "rights" would be to take away from them the Presidency.

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

before the 1990 people were asking for the Muslim rights
today and after the taef agreement we are hearing about the Christian rights

its never ending with so called rights!
where does those rights end?

yes Lebanon is based on sectarian system but calling for the Christian/muslims rights i dont have any clue what it should mean.. im sure everybody have the right to pray in churches mosque etc so it is not that

and we all know by saying Christian rights they dont mean the minorities sects they only mean the Marounites

so lets call it Marounites rights and not christian rights!

My question is:
1. what does the marounites rights mean for FPM?
2. why do the marounites feel like their rights are taken and why do they think it is their rights?
3. are the marounites more Lebanese than the others to have always the highest positions in the government and others governmental work places?
4. why do the marounites have 34 MPs when they are not even majority?
5. why should only a marounite become an army commander what is it based on?
6. what are those rights based on?
7. where does those rights end?

this show us how unfair system we have not only a sectarian one!
but a sect always taking the highest position/rank in almost everything it put a very big question mark and the funny thing they still feel they dont have any rights! hhmmm

if those rights are based on sectarian majority system then the marounites should give some of their positions to the real majority who ever it is today!


(just to let you know im asking those questions just to show you that calling for so called sects rights is a big failure and history proved that)

go read the constitution.

if the constitution brokers power based on a sectarian divide, you have two options to proceed forward, an all out revolution, or a gradual path to go from a sectarian state to a secular one. the Christian rights are our gate into governing, the gate without which we will not be able to pave the way from sectarianism to secularism.

if you have a better way, please share with us. until then, we live in a sectarian state with a sectarian constitution, a state in which Christians have been cast outs, having no real say say in determining their own future.

Christian rights are what's missing to create some kind of equilibrium in terms of rights between the different constituants who make the Lebanese fabric. this should be a trivial matter.

[dodzi]

Asking for the Christian rights is normal, even for secular people like me (although I don't really like the populist manner upon which they are brought up by our party leaders), cause Lebanon, by constitution and by history is a consociational country, meaning all sects should be properly represented in the government, Parliament and other public institutions.

Now how are things un-consociational:
- ONE person from ONE sect has too much power (the Sunni PM)
- The electoral law is based on the Majoritarian plurinominal system (winner takes-all)
- Every consequence of these two first reasons make the country and the governmental and parliamentary decision un-consociational

How to make the country power-sharing consociational:
- Implement Taëf properly, and that means:
- Give the powers of the PM to the Council of Ministers (and not to the President as FPM suggests)
- Give some powers back to the President (not all)
- Create a Proportional Representation law (or a Simple majoritarian, but this wouldn't work because of the sectarian disproportion between the number of MPs and the number of citizens)
- Create a Senate and secularize the Parliament (optional)

The consequences of all this will help secure the Christian's rights!

[sev]

well on the armenian rights, like getting our seats back in beirut..

we are already diminishing in number big time in lebanon.I dont think in future we can get ourselves a single MP Either. We are the most sect whose people leave this country..
In the past there used to be alot of armenians. in AUH doctors were forced to study armenians, because most nurses were armenians. lebanese football had looooots of armenians.and so on...
now none r in the country..all left.

I dont know what rights we gonna ask. I think our rights will be less then what it is now in future.


Most of cousins is in los angeles, and my family is plannin to move there as well.

[joseph_lubnan]

I want my rights and I want them now

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

I want my rights and I want them now

hush lil baby dont you cry,
saad's gonna give you the tourism ministry
and if saad gave it to someone else
saad's then will give you that of the industry

[Dalzi]

It's all too natural for people to call for their right for political representation. I wouldn't blame the Maronites or anyone, I'd blame the constitution. And I should say whoever created it.

Originally Posted by sev

Most of cousins is in los angeles, and my family is plannin to move there as well.

That's the major difference between you and others, with deep honesty. You move out and stay there till doomsday, we move back to Lebanon, and mind you, to areas that are bombed frequently (Why? I don't know, it's just an instinct lol). And even if we are unable to move alive, we leave a will saying that we wish to be buried in our soil. Just make sure you don't get to comfortable abroad and you'll be fine.

[Abou Sandal]

In a State ruled by mafia and corruption, I doubt that any citizen would have his rights, no matter how many, and which seats his alleged clan can gather.

So Christian Rights, Sunni rights, Shiaa rights, Druze rights, Zimbabwean rights...who cares...So far...None is getting any of it anyway...Take all the seats and give me my citizen's rights.

Alright?

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

It's all too natural for people to call for their right for political representation. I wouldn't blame the Maronites or anyone, I'd blame the constitution. And I should say whoever created it.

That's the major difference between you and others, with deep honesty. You move out and stay there till doomsday, we move back to Lebanon, and mind you, to areas that are bombed frequently (Why? I don't know, it's just an instinct lol). And even if we are unable to move alive, we leave a will saying that we wish to be buried in our soil. Just make sure you don't get to comfortable abroad and you'll be fine.

Why did you leave then in first place? If you dont mind the bombs as you say...or is it this usual sentiment I hear, when I have enough money or max when am pensioner I will move back to Lebanon for good? You cant really blame those who left or will leave because they want to live a normal life.