In case of a referendum, would you agree to give the refugees residence permits?

[Venom]

Originally Posted by elhakeem2jours

wow, a frightening percentate... 23% of this forum doesn't mind the palestinians becoming lebanese?

i would expect these results on the mustaqbal forum!

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23% out of 100% is a frightening percentage!

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Venom

23% out of 100% is a frightening percentage!

but a fair estimate.

if it was more than 30% then i would be worried.

[Jameloka6]

While i support their cause against israel, i dont see a reason the palestinians should be in Lebanon. They have been ungratefull, fought the Lebanese state/army over the years, have organized 100s of militias and all in all have brought this country no good whatsoever.

We have a big chunk of our Lebanese population either living with no jobs or in exile like me and many others because of the job situation at home, so i think these should be our problem to solve and not the palestinians.

No way in hell should we accept them in Lebanon no more. And these camps we have should be cleaned up like a sweaty sock at the laundromat.

[Learned]

I am in favor of giving them temporary visas and working permits (not residence permits and definitely not citizenship), while fighting to get them back home.

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by elhakeem2jours

wow, a frightening percentate... 23% of this forum doesn't mind the palestinians becoming lebanese?

i would expect these results on the mustaqbal forum!
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Your post is the expression of many people's ignorance in Lebanon...

20% are for giving the Palestinians work permits and residence permits. This means that they will be able to work here, just like Syrians, Egyptians, Sri Lankans, Ethiopians, French, Americans, etc. It has nothing to do with making them Lebanese!

Unless you want to tell me that Palestinians are worth les than any other nationality on earth?

[LiNk]

Originally Posted by dodzi

Your post is the expression of many people's ignorance in Lebanon...

20% are for giving the Palestinians work permits and residence permits. This means that they will be able to work here, just like Syrians, Egyptians, Sri Lankans, Ethiopians, French, Americans, etc. It has nothing to do with making them Lebanese!

Unless you want to tell me that Palestinians are worth les than any other nationality on earth?

But Dodzi, giving residence permits usually comes with a possibility of naturalization for upcoming generations, doesn't it ?

Giving them work and a chance to establish will be nothing less than naturalization but on a longer term! Once they can live normally they will never leave!

I know it's cruel if you take it on the scale of a small family or an individual, but consider the huge numbers ! They're like 20-25% of the Lebanese population!

And a residence permit usually gives citizenship for the third generation ! And that would happen in less than 10 years !

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by LiNk

But Dodzi, giving residence permits usually comes with a possibility of naturalization for upcoming generations, doesn't it ?

Giving them work and a chance to establish will be nothing less than naturalization but on a longer term! Once they can live normally they will never leave!

I know it's cruel if you take it on the scale of a small family or an individual, but consider the huge numbers ! They're like 20-25% of the Lebanese population!

And a residence permit usually gives citizenship for the third generation ! And that would happen in less than 10 years !

What gave you that idea? Do you know what the procedure is to become Lebanese? There are laws for this. Just like in Kuwait or some other Gulf States, getting the nationality is very hard... Impossible even. Yet working there is no problem. Same applies in Lebanon! Saying that getting a work permit = getting the nationality is something a xenophobe says!

The way I see it, they are now looking to become Lebanese just to get jobs just like Lebanese. But if they get the right to have jobs, they will not be losing their time looking to get the nationality!

Besides, look at all the other immigrants working in Lebanon: some Syrians have been here for over 40 years and still don't have the nationality...

Either apply the law to all nationalities, or change the laws!

[suomynona]

I am outside the country because there is no space for me and people want to get someone else to take my place????

Give them the means to go somewhere else ou khlossna ba'a.

Shi bi 3assib.

[LiNk]

Originally Posted by dodzi

What gave you that idea? Do you know what the procedure is to become Lebanese? There are laws for this. Just like in Kuwait or some other Gulf States, getting the nationality is very hard... Impossible even. Yet working there is no problem. Same applies in Lebanon! Saying that getting a work permit = getting the nationality is something a xenophobe says!

The way I see it, they are now looking to become Lebanese just to get jobs just like Lebanese. But if they get the right to have jobs, they will not be losing their time looking to get the nationality!

Besides, look at all the other immigrants working in Lebanon: some Syrians have been here for over 40 years and still don't have the nationality...

Either apply the law to all nationalities, or change the laws!

I was referring to European countries.

We're speaking about reform right ? If so, many things need to be taking place also.

If we're talking about giving them working permits like any other foreigner, there should be a law that regulates the percentage of foreign workers, taking into consideration the needs of our economy, and of course, it's capacities to welcome this HUGE mass of workers. Which I doubt it can.

Second, our laws will surely not remain the same for another 50 years, if reform takes place, it will surely affect the naturalization process. No sane person can refuse citizenship for immigrants of third or fourth generation.

[YOSS]

I don't think we currently have "residence permits" for anyone do we? maybe just foreign spouses? We have work permits for those workers some speak of.

And yes it's difficult to naturalize into Lebanese under current laws.

So the residence permits in question here are permanent resident permits, hence the previous mention of right to buy property, own land, work, etc. contrary to 'work permits' and their limitations.

So it's an 'a la green card' option... with a possibility to offering the newborns citizenship from there onwards.