Campaign against GMA and the FPM reaches new heights!

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by John A

DA, i'm still searching for that article. Read my post again.

they have an autonomous operation, going in several directions, it is normal that you can find an article that supports your point of view; but the bulk of their campaign lately is aimed towards convincing their own supporters that the delay is from GMA and bassil, FPMers know for a fact that this is not the case.

[Jean]

DA, this is an example, (although not the one that im talking about)

إما جبران باسيل وزير للاتصالات... وإما لا حكومة... ولا بلد.

عندما استشهد هادي حسن نصرالله رفض زعيم المقاومة المفاوضة غير المباشرة على استرداد جثمان نجله الشهيد، واصر على مبدأ التفاوض غير المباشر بشأن استرداد كل الجثامين لكل الشهداء.

هذا الموقف اكد عظمة موقف السيد حسن نصرالله وزعامته للمقاومة فعلياً وروحياً ومعنوياً، وجعلته الشخصية المنزّهة عن اي شائبة.


هكذا المواقف، هكذا الزعماء يتصرفون، ولا يجمعون بين الشق العائلي وشق المصلحة العامة، واذا كان المثل الذي اعطيته يتضمن شهادة وموتا جسدياً فلا سمح الله ان يصيب الوزير جبران باسيل اي مكروه ونتمنى له كل الخير والحفاظ على حياته وكما يقولون بالعامية «بعيداً عنه...».


العماد عون طرح في مبادئ التيار الوطني الحر فصل النيابة عن الوزارة، وهو متعلق بصهره وجعله يتخطى كل زعامات وناشطي التيار الوطني الحر ليصبح المسؤول الثاني في التيار. واذا كان العماد عون يعلم انه لا يستطيع القبول بعدم توزير باسيل فكان الاجدر به عدم ترشيحه للنيابة طالما احتمال خسارته المعركة الانتخابية احتمال موجود وهكذا كان حفظ المنصب الوزاري للوزير باسيل ورشّح ناشطاً آخر في التيار عن مقعد البترون.


لكن العماد عون الذي فشل صهره في الانتخابات النيابية ويريد توزيره في الحكومة المقبلة كي لا يصبح باسيل عاطلا عن العمل في النيابة والوزارة، ويصبح فقط موفداً من عون، قام بتحويل الامر الى انه اصبح هو الضحية ان لم يُقبل بتوزير باسيل في الحكومة المقبلة فهذا انكسار له ونكاية به.

Addiyar, Charles Ayyoub

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by R.B

One can't help but notice that virtually every article on Naharnet (Harriri propaganda site) is about GMA and the FPM. Nowlebanon (the other propaganda site) is nearly the same, all their newspapers (including Daily Star) and the radio and TV talk non-stop about GMA and the FPM. Lebanon's number 1 English Yellow pen for hire, Michael Young keeps claiming GMA and the FPM are finished, yet nearly every article he writes is about GMA.

Those behind 14 March really want you to believe that GMA is the reason why the government isn't being formed.

The question is, how many FPMers are falling for this latest campaign??

R.B, FPM through its own decisions and actions put itself in a weak position (with regard to popular support) that has been getting weaker by the day since 2005. First and foremost you have yourself as a party to blame. Even after the dismal results of the 2009 elections you didn't hear the message sent to you from your constituents, and in my opinion this was your last chance to capitalize on this message to effect a comprehensive reevaluation of the party's politics and positions. Instead you seem to be continuing further in the opposite direction... Come 2013 you will see even Kesrwen slipping away.

Regarding the media campaign, of course your political adversaries will capitalize on your weak points, however these weak points are also very obvious to the population, they see them even before some of these editorial writers pick up their pens to highlight them.

Focus on the people. They sent you a message in these elections, focus on it.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Dark Angel

i disagree. it is getting exponentially hard to influence FPMers, as the ones remaining have a higher threshold for buying the cr@p that has been parading in the media.

the problem F14 is having now is to convince their own followers that jubran bassil is the obstacle preventing the formation of the government; they cannot come out to the open saying that even without jubran bassil we'll still have plenty of problems forming the government.

as to the weak brains, i would have agreed with your theory, but unfortunately a vote coming from a weak brain still counts the same as one coming from a genius, and guess what? weak brains are the majority, by far.
you cannot invoke any change if you become an elitist party, you'll still need the popular support, and in order to get it, you are also forced to find and design ways to influence the masses.

the thing is that to get those 'weak minds' and their more valuable votes, the harrisits are more than willing to lie to them and goad them around for the retards that they are, yet on the fpm front there is no willinginess to 'smartly lie to them' nor any serious professional effort to 'educate their choices' given that the second option was always more difficult to implement even in more advanced countries since decades.

to fpm leaders and pundits who are still clueless, i would like to point them out to this simple revealing 4part great documentary from the bbc, if this doesn't wake them up with its similitudes to here then nothing ever will.

BBC's The Century of the Self
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...72273825999151

[Robin Hood]

Originally Posted by R.B

One can't help but notice that virtually every article on Naharnet (Harriri propaganda site) is about GMA and the FPM. Nowlebanon (the other propaganda site) is nearly the same, all their newspapers (including Daily Star) and the radio and TV talk non-stop about GMA and the FPM. Lebanon's number 1 English Yellow pen for hire, Michael Young keeps claiming GMA and the FPM are finished, yet nearly every article he writes is about GMA.

Those behind 14 March really want you to believe that GMA is the reason why the government isn't being formed.

The question is, how many FPMers are falling for this latest campaign??

We should ask: where is the FPM media and why aren't they countering the Hariri propaganda?

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

the thing is that to get those 'weak minds' and their more valuable votes, the harrisits are more than willing to lie to them and goad them around for the retards that they are, yet on the fpm front there is no willinginess to 'smartly lie to them' nor any serious professional effort to 'educate their choices' given that the second option was always more difficult to implement even in more advanced countries since decades.

to fpm leaders and pundits who are still clueless, i would like to point them out to this simple revealing 4part great documentary from the bbc, if this doesn't wake them up with its similitudes to here then nothing ever will.

BBC's The Century of the Self
The Century Of The Self - Part 1 of 4 - By Adam Curtis

unfortunately in these kinds of battles, you have to use the innocents in order to determine the winning side. if you truly believe that what you are supporting is for the benefit of all, then you are the way of salvation for these innocent people, you have to use them for your own good and for theirs, otherwise both you and them will have plenty to lose.

i understand the moral dilemma, however sometimes you have to suggar wrap the bitter truth for the benefit of the receivers, we do it all the time with kids needing health care; we have an obligation to win this battle.

if you want to win this battle you have to use all the tersenal at your disposal; including influencing the masses to support you political vision.

[tiger10452]

It's take more than the current media machine of the M14 group to change an FPMer who believed in the FPM's stratgey & principles and understands foreign policy and the true intent of the Arabs and the histroy of Lebanon and those who were involved, to even consider going against the FPM.

It's going to take more than the American, Israeli, French, German, Saudi, Kuwaiti & Egyptian Secret Services to infiltrate & convince the Lebanese.

In other words, it will take only intervention from God the father for a true FPMer to seriously consider an alternative to the FPM.

Allow me to kinldy remind those also in this thread that the Christians in Keserwan and other places in particular Zahle & Baabda are still strong depsite the more than $750million that was spent by governments belonging to the above mentioned Secret Services to narrow the lead of the FPM across teh nation. They may have succeeded in Zahle and Batroun but I can tell you that you will need to do more than provide the SKy Blue Charter Flights and the thousand dollar votes come 2013. Because the brunt of the true & Patriotic Lebanese (Being the FPM) are locatd overseas.

That said, I would suggest a different strategy for the Palestinian Refugees in Lebanon. Send them back to Jordan & Palestine in Peace. Why don't the Arabs - Saudi's & Egyptians in Particular take them in? Oops I forgot they want the Arabs to have peace with Israel at teh expense of the Lebanese Christians & Shiites. Well forget that attempt sunshine because it didn't work in 2009 and it'n not going to work in 2050. Oh and even if you do manage to settle them in Lebanon the Shiites will still out number the Sunnis if this is such a big deal...oh and the Sunni's wont get an additional seat in Parliament as a result either.


So R.B I hope I have answered your question. If not then, I wouldn't be concerned as not one FPMer that I know would trade his soul for the devil.

"The biggest trick the devil ever pulled, was to convince the world he doesn't exist."

[Robin Hood]

Originally Posted by tiger10452

It's take more than the current media machine of the M14 group to change an FPMer who believed in the FPM's stratgey & principles and understands foreign policy and the true intent of the Arabs and the histroy of Lebanon and those who were involved, to even consider going against the FPM.

It's going to take more than the American, Israeli, French, German, Saudi, Kuwaiti & Egyptian Secret Services to infiltrate & convince the Lebanese.

In other words, it will take only intervention from God the father for a true FPMer to seriously consider an alternative to the FPM.

Allow me to kinldy remind those also in this thread that the Christians in Keserwan and other places in particular Zahle & Baabda are still strong depsite the more than $750million that was spent by governments belonging to the above mentioned Secret Services to narrow the lead of the FPM across teh nation. They may have succeeded in Zahle and Batroun but I can tell you that you will need to do more than provide the SKy Blue Charter Flights and the thousand dollar votes come 2013. Because the brunt of the true & Patriotic Lebanese (Being the FPM) are locatd overseas.

That said, I would suggest a different strategy for the Palestinian Refugees in Lebanon. Send them back to Jordan & Palestine in Peace. Why don't the Arabs - Saudi's & Egyptians in Particular take them in? Oops I forgot they want the Arabs to have peace with Israel at teh expense of the Lebanese Christians & Shiites. Well forget that attempt sunshine because it didn't work in 2009 and it'n not going to work in 2050. Oh and even if you do manage to settle them in Lebanon the Shiites will still out number the Sunnis if this is such a big deal...oh and the Sunni's wont get an additional seat in Parliament as a result either.


So R.B I hope I have answered your question. If not then, I wouldn't be concerned as not one FPMer that I know would trade his soul for the devil.

"The biggest trick the devil ever pulled, was to convince the world he doesn't exist."

What r u talking about, they Lebanese people r dumb, 3a2loun zghir. If the za3im tells them this sect is after you, they will believe it without question. If he tells them the sea is 7elo, they will swallow it without question. Look at the Sunnis, they used to support the resistance, but when Hariri told them hate the resistance, they followed him.

[Salmoun]

The propaganda machine against FPM was, still and will continue to bash FPM every day. However, FPM must not give them the alby to do it !!!
I know that the government formation is not blocked by FPM but why make the gebran bassil issue so important? IS he the only one that could work and reform ?????? i don't think so !!

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by Salmoun

The propaganda machine against FPM was, still and will continue to bash FPM every day. However, FPM must not give them the alby to do it !!!
I know that the government formation is not blocked by FPM but why make the gebran bassil issue so important? IS he the only one that could work and reform ?????? i don't think so !!

Do not speak like this unless you already have your ticket to China in your pocket.