Break the Silence of 94 Years!

[Lebanese Forces -Keserwan]

قيومجيان لموقع "القوات": القضية الأرمنية هي القضية الأم والأرمن عنصر أساسي في بناء لبنان

رأى مرشح "القوات اللبنانية" عن مقعد الأرمن الكاثوليك في دائرة بيروت الأولى ريشار قيومجيان أن ذكرى مجازر الأرمن هي عملية استشهاد، وشهادة لقضية وجود وحرية وقضية ايمان مسيحي، مذكراً بأن المملكة الأرمنية منذ العام 300 هي أول مملكة اعتنقت الديانة المسيحية، ومنذ ذلك التاريخ بدأت مسيرة الشهادة المسيحية في آسيا الصغرى وفي هذا الشرق. وقال: "القضية الأرمنية هي القضية الأم، وأنا ملتزم هذه القضية التي استشهد من اجلها الأجداد والرفاق، هناك 250 شاب لبناني أرمني استشهدوا في صفوف المقاومة اللبنانية من اجل القضية اللبنانية، وانا وفيّ لتضحياتهم، ومرشح باسمهم، وسألتزم المبادئ التي استشهدوا في سبيلها"، معرباً عن اعتقاده بأن القضية اللبنانية هي استمرار للقضية الأرمنية إن لناحية الوجود أو لناحية الايمان أو لناحية الحرية.

وأشار إلى ان قضية الايمان المسيحي واعتناق الدين المسيحي استمرت عبر الأجيال، معتبرا أن ما حصل في العام 1915 هو فعل شهادة وفعل ايمان دفاعاً عن هوية شعب وعن خصوصية هذا الشعب، مؤكدا ان هذه القضية لن تنتسى ولن تزول من ذاكرة الشعب الأرمني، مشددا على وجوب الاعتراف بهذه المجزرة من قبل السلطات التركية حتى إحقاق الحق.

قيومجيان، وفي حديث إلى موقع "القوات اللبنانية" الالكتروني، رفض المبدأ الذي يقول "إن الطائفة الأرمنية غريبة عن هذا الوطن"، مستشهداً بقول لكاثوليكوس الأرمن السابق كراكين الثاني: "الأرمن لم يساهموا فقط في بناء لبنان، بل أن الأرمن شاركوا في بناء لبنان"، مؤكداً أن الأرمن هم الأساس في عملية بناء لبنان وعملية بناء المجتمع اللبناني والدولة اللبنانية، إلى جانب مهاراتهم واختصاصاتهم ونخبهم التي ساهمت في عملية هذا البناء.

وعن تحالف الطاشناق مع قوى 8 آذار ودخولهم المحور السوري – الايراني، قال قيومجيان: "الطاشناق متحالفون مع القوى المرتبطة بالخارج لكننا موحدّون حول فكرة لبنان والتعلق بلبنان وحول وضعية الطائفة الأرمنية داخل لبنان"، مؤكداً حرصه على الوحدة الأرمنية، وآملاً أن يكون خيار الطاشناق الداخلي غير مرتبط بأي خيارات إقليمية.

وأوضح قيومجيان أن جزءاً كبيراً من أصوات الأرمن في بيروت ستصب لمصلحته، مع وجود أصوات ستكون لصالح الفريق الآخر، نافياً وجود أي هواجس خاصة بالطائفة الأرمنية بل هناك هواجس وطنية. ورفض أن يكون لكل طائفة في لبنان مشروعها وتحالفاتها وارتباطاتها الخارجية وأجهزتها العسكرية والأمنية، معلناً ان الأرمن هم جزء أساسي وحيوي من مشروع بناء الدولة التي تنادي به "القوات اللبنانية".

وأكد ان "القوات" لها قوة ناخبة وقوة شعبية وتجييرية وسياسية في بيروت، وانطلاقا من هذه المسلمات يجب ان يكون للقوات تمثيل نيابي وسياسي فاعل في العاصمة، مشدداً في المقابل على أن فوز 14 آذار في الانتخابات سيعزز فكرة بناء الدولة، وسيعزز قيام المؤسسات وسيادة لبنان، بمعنى أن لا يكون هناك سلطة ولا سلاح أو قوى سلطوية إلا الدولة اللبنانية، معتبراً ان العبور إلى الدولة عنصر أساسي لأنها الضامنة للسيادة والاستقلال ولحرية وحقوق الطوائف كافة في التركيبة اللبنانية.

وختم قيومجيان بالقول: "اتفاق الدوحة انتهت مفاعيله مع انتخاب العماد ميشال سليمان رئيساً للجمهورية، ومع إجراء الانتخابات النيابية، ومستمرة مفاعيله من ناحية الحفاظ على الوضع الأمني وضمانته من قبل مؤسسات الدولة اللبنانية"، معتبراً أنه بعد الانتخابات يجب العودة إلى روحية اتفاق الطائف وإلى متابعة تنفيذ ما تبقى من هذا الاتفاق في ما يخص استكمال بناء الدولة والشروع في تطبيق اللامركزية الادارية، والعودة إلى اعتماد الآلية الدستورية التي تحكم العلاقات بين الأطراف والطوائف.

[X]

I just hope that all those politicians who are today talking about the Armenian Genocide, will do the same next year when there is no elections.

[Orange Patriot]

i dont knwo why the numbe of armenians murdered is a matter of contention!
is there some goddamn ISO standard threshold for the definition of genocide?

the international community are tripping over each other to take syria to trial over the murder of ONE man, yet doing something about all those armenians is like asking them to give birth to an elephant...

[hyelander]

Originally Posted by Mitzidupree

Now let's stick to the facts, the number is a bit exaggerated, in the whole Othoman empire, there were around 800,000 Armenians, so how was it possible to almost double that number? [Still that doesn't neglect the fact of commiting a Genocide, of course!]

Anyway, about whose silence are they talking about? Turkey and Armenia are at the tip of their "happiness" and communication, having football matches, political visits etc...

Nevertheless, current Turkey shouldn't be held accountable for the massacres happened 94 years ago, you simply, cannot blame them. Look at Germany, still paying the price of what the Nazi party has done to the Jews, they could have simple done what Turkey has done. And Turkey has six years still, after then, the "cause" will vanish!

However, what is the purpose of recognizing the Genocide? It doesn't mean or prove the fact that it did happen as long as it did indeed happen! It's all a melodic drama!

On the other hand, Armenians nagging for not living in Armenia and that they're away from it, why not simply go back there? With the current technology, you needn't go through the desert again!

PS: I am not saying you shan't remember or honor the Genocide, but at some point, you shouldn't waste a momemnt mourning yesterday's misfortunes, yesterday's defeats, or yesterdays aches of the heart.

dear Mitzidupree,
i would very much like to know what source did you get the 800,000 figure from.

for your information, a few months ago the hand written book of the ottoman interior minister and the chief "manager" of the Armenian gencide, Talaat Pasha,called the Black Book, was published in Turkey. The content of the book was derived from Ottoman administrative records during the time of Talaat, and which are no longer available to historians in Turkey (where did the archives go?). Its content were never disclosed in Talaat’s lifetime. After his assassination in 1921, the book was with his widow and was given to the Turkish historian Murat Bardakçi in 1982. The book was not published until the end of 2008. The data presented in this book can be considered to be a view of the Armenian Genocide from the perspective of the Ottoman state at the time. What Talaat had recorded in his Black Book was "before and after" kind of statistics, about the number of the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire and he presented before and after numbers of each region, stating the population of each region, the number of the deported, the numbers of the deported who were living elsewhere, etc. By Talaat's numbers, Ottoman Armenians, totaled arpound 1,700,000 people. According to his figures, the total number of Armenians who were "missing" in 1917 was around 1,000,000 people. Now al this is based on the Ottoman inetrior ministers figures. Armenian numbers put the total of armenians in Ottoman turkey around 2 million, of which around 1.5 million were massacered. Apart from the Armenian Genocide starting in 1915, in the years 1894-1896, Sultan abdul Hamid, which has a sqaure named after him now in Tripoli...that same Sultan, massacreed around 300 thousand Armenians, in what became to be known as the "Hamidian Massaceres". another 90 thousand armenians were killed in 1909.
You can grab any academic work dealing with the Armenian Genocide, based on eyewitness and official consular accounts, and youll get a good idea of what happened. I suggest you check works of German scholars, since the germans were the allies of turks at the time.

Second, why should not Today's turkey be held responsible for what happened. The modern Turkey, "established" by Ataturk in 1923, was not created out of vacuum. What happened to the estates of the people killed? Their wealth and businesses, their lands? They were took over by the state, and distributed to the killers and the rest of the pupolation. Heck, Talaat even asked the the American ambassador, Henry Morgenthau, to provide him the list of the Armenians who held insurance with American companies, so that he can cash the money, since, as he said, no one survived to claim the money and the state was the legal beneficiary now...

[hyelander]

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

it was a sad day for all humanity, RIP for all those who died back then

now i might say something you don't like but well what can i do anyway!

the Genocide of the Armenian carried by the turks is very well known for the Lebanese and almost everywhere but lets say the truth, the Armenian slaughtered many turks whole villages etc as well with the help of the Russians

the Armenian saw the Ottoman empire reaching to an end and many countries were taking their independence like Greece and Yugoslavia but the different was that the Greeks and the Yugoslavian were majority in their land unlike the Armenian they were minorities in eastern Anatolia anyway the Armenian revolusionist started with assassinating Ottoman leaders specially the Armenian ones and of course all that was from the help of the British Empire and the Russian to weak the Ottoman empire from its roots after that the Armenian with the help of the Russian invaded East Anatolia and carried many massacres on the turks and after the withdrawn of the Russian the turk forces invaded eastern Anatolia and carried massacres on the Armenian

what i see from all what happened that the European specially the British used the Armenian for their own interest and when the Armenian were slaughtered by the turks the British just turned their faces the other way as usual!


i feel sorry for what happened and i do understand the Armenian anger on this issue but the Armenian do have their huge mistakes as well in this conflict!

excuse me buddy, but your post is full of BS. even the chronology of what you presented does not hold!
tell me, the 200 intellectuals, who were bundled up on the eve of April 24 in Costantinople, thats Istanbul, in the European part of Turkey, THOUSANDS of kilometers away from the turkish-russian border, those intellectuals, who included clergy, members of the ottoman parliament, writers, doctors, etc, what did they, and their 400 colleagues captured and killed in the next few days had to do with what the armenians did in collaboration with the russians thousands of kilometers away (if they did anything)?
Read a bit of history. Even before the be-heading of the Armenian populace, by liquidating the armenian intellectuals, all armenian able men were called for duty, for war, and these were liquidated in turn. So what was left were women, children and elderly, who were massacered en route of deportation to the deserts of Syria. If you had checked out at least one chronology of the world War one, you would know, that the russian forces retreated from Western Armenia ( what the turks call Eastern Anatolia), starting from October 25, 1917, on the orders of Lenin, after the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. By that time, the Armenian population was already largely liquidated. So your fiction story, that the armenians killed, and the turks responded, is baseless.

so as you see, it was not a mutual thing, you had an Empire, employing its legitimate armed forces, inciting its population, releasing criminals from the jails to do the job swiftly. Furthermore, a Jihad was announced against the Allied powers, and Armenians were pictured as collaborators of the West...and the rest is the history of the killing of a nation...

I hope, that those who have doubts about what happened, would refer to history, and not propaganda. You cannot equate the killer and the victim. LubnanALkawi, i hope you know why the Martyr's Square in DT Beirut is called that way!

[Chaos]

The armenians massacres are much prior to world war one.
Already after the Turkish Russian war of 1877-1878, Abdul hamid by the means of Kurds and Circassians started a persecusion and deportation policy. To resist to this policy the armenians founded the Hentchag (Le cor) in 1889, and the Tachnag (abrv of "tachnagzoution" the federation) 1890.
1895 the sultan through the fanatic mullahs and the Bachi-bouzouks "turks and kurds" started a new massacre policy where 300,000 armenians were murdered or starved to death, and 100,000 escaped through the Balkan.
In 1915 over the 2,100,000 armenians citizen of the ottoman empire, 1,200,000 were killed.
In 1918 an independant armenian state ruled by the Tashnag party was declared, and in 1920 this state was attacked by the Turks and azerbaidjans and dismanteled.

[Makiabel]

العماد عون في الذكرى السنوية للمجازر الأرمنية : نتضامن مع الأرمن في مطالبهم وعلى العالم الاعتراف بهذه الابادة

توجه رئيس "تكتل التغيير والإصلاح" النائب العماد ميشال عون، في بيان إلى الشعب الأرمني في الذكرى السنوية للمجازر التي وقعت بحقه، وقال: "أتوجه إلى هذا الشعب المنتشر في كل أنحاء العالم بشعور المشاركة والتضامن معه في مطالبه المحقة، ونرجو من العالم أجمع أن يعترف له أن هذه المجزرة كانت إبادة بحق الشعب الأرمني ويجب التعويض عنها. وأتوجه بصورة خاصة الى الأرمن اللبنانيين، وهم أصدقاؤنا وشركاؤنا في الحياة العامة والسياسية بأقصى شعور التضامن، ونحن معهم في السراء والضراء"

Source:Tayyar.org

[Makiabel]

اللواء ابو جمره: الشعب الارمني عريق في مبادئه وله كل التقدير

حيا نائب رئيس مجلس الوزراء اللواء عصام أبو جمره "الشعب الأرمني الذي حمل بعظمة شعلة شهدائه بيد، وأحب الحياة بيد أخرى"، وقال: "إن شعبا كهذا هو جدير بالحياة، فالذي ناضل وشارك وإخوته اللبنانيين في بناء لبنان وترسيخ سيادته، هو شعب عريق في ايمانه ومبادئه وله كل التقدير".

وكان أعضاء "لائحة التغيير والاصلاح" في دائرة بيروت الأولى شاركوا في مسيرة نظمها حزب الطاشناق احياء لذكرى شهداء الأرمن في مجازر سنة 1915

Source:Tayyar.org

[sev]

النائب المر للكاثوليكوس كشيشيان: يتجدد في نفوسنا شعور الاسى على الشهداء الابرياء في ذكرى مجازر الارمن
وجه النائب ميشال المر اليوم، كلمة الى كاثوليكوس الارمن آرام الاول كشيشيان في ذكرى الإبادة الارمنية، جاء فيها: "في الذكرى المؤلمة للمجازر التي ارتكبت بحق الشعب الارمني يتجدد في نفوسنا شعور الاسى والحزن على الشهداء الابرياء الذين وقعوا ضحية ابشع المجازر التي ارتكبت في التاريخ.

انني احيي ذكرى الشهداء هذه واتقدم من سيادتكم وبواسطتكم من الشعب الارمني بأحر التعازي، واننا متضامنون مع الارمن في قضيتهم المحقة وان قضية وراءها ابطال مؤمنون وصامدون لا يمكن ان تموت بل بالعكس فان النصر محتوم لها"

Tashnag

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by Mitzidupree

Now let's stick to the facts, the number is a bit exaggerated, in the whole Othoman empire, there were around 800,000 Armenians, so how was it possible to almost double that number? [Still that doesn't neglect the fact of commiting a Genocide, of course!]

Anyway, about whose silence are they talking about? Turkey and Armenia are at the tip of their "happiness" and communication, having football matches, political visits etc...

Nevertheless, current Turkey shouldn't be held accountable for the massacres happened 94 years ago, you simply, cannot blame them. Look at Germany, still paying the price of what the Nazi party has done to the Jews, they could have simple done what Turkey has done. And Turkey has six years still, after then, the "cause" will vanish!

However, what is the purpose of recognizing the Genocide? It doesn't mean or prove the fact that it did happen as long as it did indeed happen! It's all a melodic drama!

On the other hand, Armenians nagging for not living in Armenia and that they're away from it, why not simply go back there? With the current technology, you needn't go through the desert again!

PS: I am not saying you shan't remember or honor the Genocide, but at some point, you shouldn't waste a momemnt mourning yesterday's misfortunes, yesterday's defeats, or yesterdays aches of the heart.

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

it was a sad day for all humanity, RIP for all those who died back then

now i might say something you don't like but well what can i do anyway!

the Genocide of the Armenian carried by the turks is very well known for the Lebanese and almost everywhere but lets say the truth, the Armenian slaughtered many turks whole villages etc as well with the help of the Russians

the Armenian saw the Ottoman empire reaching to an end and many countries were taking their independence like Greece and Yugoslavia but the different was that the Greeks and the Yugoslavian were majority in their land unlike the Armenian they were minorities in eastern Anatolia anyway the Armenian revolusionist started with assassinating Ottoman leaders specially the Armenian ones and of course all that was from the help of the British Empire and the Russian to weak the Ottoman empire from its roots after that the Armenian with the help of the Russian invaded East Anatolia and carried many massacres on the turks and after the withdrawn of the Russian the turk forces invaded eastern Anatolia and carried massacres on the Armenian

what i see from all what happened that the European specially the British used the Armenian for their own interest and when the Armenian were slaughtered by the turks the British just turned their faces the other way as usual!


i feel sorry for what happened and i do understand the Armenian anger on this issue but the Armenian do have their huge mistakes as well in this conflict!

I won't reply to your posts as it's clear that you know nothing about this issue...

I will suggest to you both to read a book... No not from an Armenian author but a Turkish one...

Please always read a lot before writing anything, specially about these kinds of issue...

So Please READ and you'll get all your answers:



Thank you!!