Is the Big plan form Lebanon still active ?

[Unreal]

I don’t know if someone else feels like I do about the situation in Lebanon.
The 2009 election’s revealed something very strange:
I’m from Zahle form 3 years ago and more I observed that must of people in Zahle want to get out of Lebanon. Every time I where there I had the feeling like if some occidental country open the emigration for zahliot the town will be empty tomorrow. There Is lot of employment a lot a problem etc.
And when you travel around the town you will discover that there is a lot of life there more and more dynamic then the down town (zahle).
And when you check the numbers in the election 2009 you can easily see that now in zahle (kada2) you see the majority is not anymore for Christians (I don’t speak about Catholics here all Christians) I don’t know if you have seen the numbers revealed by the “safir” the number of sunnit was increased by 587,7% from 1992 and 2009 ! and shiit 45,7% in the same period when Christians have a very small progress and even digress for Armenians !
And from the other side you all remember I’m sure the Bashir war in Zahle and must of books admit it now that it was to push Christians from zahle to the so called free zone in order to prepare Lebanon partition (Plz for whom funs of Bashir the subject here is not to defend or not Bashir it’s about zahle and Lebanon Partition)

So do you think that the project of Lebanon portion still Active but they changed the way and players? (harriri Family and etc.)
If yes do you think that the opposition is involved in the project? If No why they did nothing about the (na2l el nfouss) that happened between 2005 and 2009? Attention I don’t as why they didn’t anything about the past only the period in witch they were active…
And if really FPM want to do something about that. They have to work on the allover feeling there which push people to travel out…

[sanabel]

I heard that in Saadnael there is an adress with 6 units (block of units) and more than 200 voters voted as their adress is from this block of units....How real is that? How many people can live in one unit ? So i hope that the reality in the ground is not that bad ....Everyone has to stack to his place and not to worry too much about the figure... On the ground the opposition is still stronger than 14 Feb.But we have to do something about the changing adresses and specialy if the election law won't change ....

[lebanon4ever]

The plan for lebanon was already prepared and tailored from 1975.However some people were trying as much as they can to slow down the process.
But in the end,the plan will be achieved whether we like it or no.May be not now,but of course in 10-15 and may be 50 years.
Why?
SO many reasons:

1-US/Israel want to solve the plaestinians issue and ease the peace process.
This will go on the expense of the lebanese society.

2-All our neighboring country are ruled by Muslims or Muslim regimes,so I don't think that they appreciate Lebanon to be ruled by a christian figure .
They will even try to marginalize the christians as much as they can;whether Aoun,or geagea or... or...
However people such Aoun cannot bow whereas others can.
(LFers,Phalangists:were you happy for the past 4 years during which you held only 2-3 ministries?speak honestly please)
So marginalizing FPM and giving the rest 2 ministries such as dawle or tourism will help reducing the christian effect and decisions.
ANd believe me all this noise about Syria interference such a geagea's words yesterday is a total bluff.It is only a piece of theatre whereas the real story goes behind the scenes.And to people who are still believing that 14 febers are working in order to not let syria interfere,please note,that you should really rethink again. The story is not whether syria should interfere or no,the story is bigger bigger than this.
Between us,I pity Lfers/phalangists who really think that they will have their little piece of lebanon (keserwan,Maten,Batroun...) and live in harmony.since the surrounded cantons and regimes will make sure that christians in the christian canton will destroy each other .

I should say that christians include the dearly beloved church are busy fighting each other.I don't blame here the leaders,however,I blame the church who should teach jesus words instead of preaching divisions between christians.

As about Zahle and the immigration,please note that it is not only related to Zahle.It is related for all lebanese and sorry to say that "Lebanese who are mostly christians".
Believe me,in case you apply now for the candian visa,you will get your interview in 6-8 months (It happenned with 2 or 3 people I know,including myself).can anyone explain to me this phenomenon?

All the above statements, will facilitate the process,which I am more and more convinced that I will be going to happen.
May be one way to limit it,is to have a war..But believe me,are you ready to fight???No one deserves your blood (Look at phalangists who died in 1975-76 because they wanted to prevent naturalization..What did happen to their cause???Phalangists and lfers sold it cheap ) so my advice go and live your life,if not here,else where.

[Mahmoum]

Originally Posted by lebanon4ever

2-All our neighboring country are ruled by Muslims or Muslim regimes,so I don't think that they appreciate Lebanon to be ruled by a christian figure .

Well I am Lebanese and I don't accept that situation too, Lebanon should be ruled by a patriotic figure, not Christian or Muslim ones. Ma howwe yalle khareb Lebanon his way of thinking. I don't care about the president sect, I care about my rights and about the country.

Originally Posted by lebanon4ever

Believe me,in case you apply now for the candian visa,you will get your interview in 6-8 months (It happenned with 2 or 3 people I know,including myself).can anyone explain to me this phenomenon?

This is the standard in Canada Ambassadies, unless they didn't do that before in Lebanon.
I applied for Canada Visa from France, and I get my interview in 5 months.

[Unreal]

Originally Posted by Mahmoum

Well I am Lebanese and I don't accept that situation too, Lebanon should be ruled by a patriotic figure, not Christian or Muslim ones. Ma howwe yalle khareb Lebanon his way of thinking. I don't care about the president sect, I care about my rights and about the country.

You are perfectly and every Lebanese should be thinking that way...
but PLZ be honest with yourself and tell me, if you where Christian from Zahle and you discover the fact that the sunnit people had increased by more than 500% !!! From 1992 to 2009 can you honestly tell that I have not to care about the sect?
For sure you are going to ask the inevitable question why they did that? Do they want to change the demography of this town why it’s not made in Baalbek for example? Or in the north?
I’m pretty sure that even if you where with non confessional thinking. You will think it that way.
I think about all those people there they will be in a creasy situation. Do not forget if you like it or not we are for the moment in a confessional country in order to switch to a more open country we have to have truth between people from different sects.
And what I see here it will lead us for more and more conflicts between sects because some people (Christians for the moment) they fell like to be targeted in some obscure project and this you cannot change it.

Best regards Mahmoum ;)

This is the standard in Canada Ambassadies, unless they didn't do that before in Lebanon.
I applied for Canada Visa from France, and I get my interview in 5 months.

By the way how toask for a visa ;)

[Mahmoum]

Originally Posted by Unreal

You are perfectly and every Lebanese should be thinking that way...
but PLZ be honest with yourself and tell me, if you where Christian from Zahle and you discover the fact that the sunnit people had increased by more than 500% !!! From 1992 to 2009 can you honestly tell that I have not to care about the sect?
For sure you are going to ask the inevitable question why they did that? Do they want to change the demography of this town why it’s not made in Baalbek for example? Or in the north?
I’m pretty sure that even if you where with non confessional thinking. You will think it that way.
I think about all those people there they will be in a creasy situation. Do not forget if you like it or not we are for the moment in a confessional country in order to switch to a more open country we have to have truth between people from different sects.
And what I see here it will lead us for more and more conflicts between sects because some people (Christians for the moment) they fell like to be targeted in some obscure project and this you cannot change it.

I am sunnite and I am strongly against what happened in Zahle. I am not particulary against that because moved people are sunnite; if they are Catholic I will also be against because I don't like to see lebanese people used/treated as sheeps, numbers, ... but not as citizens.

Zahlee is nice and perfect be AHLA (from all sects), nothing else and what happened is a crime and should be corrected.

Best regards :-)

[Unreal]

Originally Posted by Mahmoum

I am sunnite and I am strongly against what happened in Zahle. I am not particulary against that because moved people are sunnite; if they are Catholic I will also be against because I don't like to see lebanese people used/treated as sheeps, numbers, ... but not as citizens.

Zahlee is nice and perfect be AHLA (from all sects), nothing else and what happened is a crime and should be corrected.

Best regards :-)

I know that you are sunnit and I know that you are against what happened in zahle. but yu didn't get my idea.
what I try to tell here is do you thinkthat avrage people in zahle are not afraid about what happened there ?
how to do to make avrage people have trusth in other sects...
when the bad is done it's very hard to get back from it.
first it's very hard to cancel what happened. but even If you did it to change the minde of people regarding this will be harder

Best regards :-)