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if we can seriously prove or expose this then all our problems will be solved.

but we can't now can we ? it could be syria, israel, the ksa or santa clause since our intelligence agencies are useless in exposing this.

my bet is that it's ksa mainly behind this with a variation of other secondary players behind it sometimes for their own ends and purposes.


but that's not my real problem, my real problem is with some lebanese who encourage those movements in one way or the other and here comes into play the esteemed secterian FM party of Saad Harriri with all its petrodollars and hate speechs.
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Bindar bin Sultan and the saudis are funding them...do you want a youtube clip? or you can do without?
Well think logically who would be benifiting most from Syria entering lebanon? And the north especially the north,which is Harriri's stronghold?

Would KSA be benifiting from this by weaking SH in the north?
Would it be Syria, coming back for all of its economical and political gain?
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Well think logically who would be benifiting most from Syria entering lebanon? And the north especially the north,which is Harriri's stronghold?

Would KSA be benifiting from this by weaking SH in the north?
Would it be Syria, coming back for all of its economical and political gain?

YouTube - Seymour Hersh on U.S. funding Lebanon and Gaza violence

Ya zaki,

the goal is to harass the Syrian regime into submission or destruction….the theory is bring down the syrian regime then HA will follow...thus weakening Iran and embolden KSA...that's the theory of Bindar
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Well think logically who would be benifiting most from Syria entering lebanon? And the north especially the north,which is Harriri's stronghold?

Would KSA be benifiting from this by weaking SH in the north?
Would it be Syria, coming back for all of its economical and political gain?
its not as simple as you might want to portray it...

Fundamentalists have been a threat to the Syrian Regime as evidenced by the 2000 Donniyeh incidents (where the Lebanese army cleaned the Syrian Moukhabarat's $hit)...

Syria, surely benefits from coming back into Lebanon, however, it is upon us the Lebanese to prevent that from happening by eradicating the fundamentalists from the North rather than by burying our head in the sand the way SH just did in his press conference...

You need to rewind to 2007 when the loyalists kept on denying the existence of al-kaeda affiliated cells in the north, and then the $hit hit the fan, and 140 army martyrs later, Fateh el Islam were eradicated...

Lets not make the same mistake twice...
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Well think logically who would be benifiting most from Syria entering lebanon? And the north especially the north,which is Harriri's stronghold?

Would KSA be benifiting from this by weaking SH in the north?
Would it be Syria, coming back for all of its economical and political gain?
man i just told u that i think Saad abused the north for his own ends which opened the door for others to abuse it also for their own ends, including syria.

saad was the original instigator of this since he wanted to make himself saladin but ended up being a hate preacher for the sunnis of the north.

if Syria is taking advantage of this now, is that strange u think ?
plus, it could also be the extremists simply running amok as usually and especially more so these days since they feel so overconfident and that they don’t like to be pushed into a corner.

to think that Syria can transform the north of lebanese like that which in my opinion Saad himself did, would be truly giving her a granted credit that it has more influence in our north than we have in our own territory. and that is even a bigger problem.

by why should i go far and do my best to blame Syria for this while clearly the north is harriri territory that is bread on petrodollars and extremism.

that’s why he’s god there, and plz don’t tell me that Syria released the extremist of Doneih in 2005 in tandem with the release of Geagea to serve her own ‘coming-back’ interests.

it was harriri who did that and is still doing those things so he can muster more support by fueling sectarian blood with black money and dark rhetoric and most clearly with deadly weapons lately to a population that is both undereducated and starving.
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YouTube - Seymour Hersh on U.S. funding Lebanon and Gaza violence

Ya zaki,

the goal is to harass the Syrian regime into submission or destruction….the theory is bring down the syrian regime then HA will follow...thus weakening Iran and embolden KSA...that's the theory of Bindar
Are you forgetting the isreali-syrian negotiations? I don't think Isreal would want Syria to have such a presence in lebenon when its negotiating peace (Syria will have the upper hand)
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its not as simple as you might want to portray it...

Fundamentalists have been a threat to the Syrian Regime as evidenced by the 2000 Donniyeh incidents (where the Lebanese army cleaned the Syrian Moukhabarat's $hit)...

Syria, surely benefits from coming back into Lebanon, however, it is upon us the Lebanese to prevent that from happening by eradicating the fundamentalists from the North rather than by burying our head in the sand the way SH just did in his press conference...

You need to rewind to 2007 when the loyalists kept on denying the existence of al-kaeda affiliated cells in the north, and then the $hit hit the fan, and 140 army martyrs later, Fateh el Islam were eradicated...

Lets not make the same mistake twice...
That i agree on with you, and the lebanese army is trying its hardest to fight terrorism, but what can an army that was basically given its freedom three years ago do?
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That i agree on with you, and the lebanese army is trying its hardest to fight terrorism, but what can an army that was basically given its freedom three years ago do?
Give the army the green light, and sit back and enjoy the pop corn...

I think they proved their worth in Donniyeh 2000, Naher el Bared 2007...
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man i just told u that i think Saad abused the north for his own ends which opened the door for others to abuse it also for their own ends, including syria.

saad was the original instigator of this since he wanted to make himself saladin but ended up being a hate preacher for the sunnis of the north.

if Syria is taking advantage of this now, is that strange u think ?
plus, it could also be the extremists simply running amok as usually and especially more so these days since they feel so overconfident and that they don’t like to be pushed into a corner.

to think that Syria can transform the north of lebanese like that which in my opinion Saad himself did, would be truly giving her a granted credit that it has more influence in our north than we have in our own territory. and that is even a bigger problem.

by why should i go far and do my best to blame Syria for this while clearly the north is harriri territory that is bread on petrodollars and extremism.

that’s why he’s god there, and plz don’t tell me that Syria released the extremist of Doneih in 2005 in tandem with the release of Geagea to serve her own ‘coming-back’ interests.

it was harriri who did that and is still doing those things so he can muster more support by fueling sectarian blood with black money and dark rhetoric and most clearly with deadly weapons lately to a population that is both undereducated and starving.

I saad was so keen on spreading violence then why is giving donations to all lebanese of all sects! IMO saad speech's don't preach hate, FM just saw that there is no one protecting sunni rights so they are protecting them? Why is it okay for all other parties to be sectarian, while its wrong for FM to be sectarian?
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Fundamentalists have been a threat to the Syrian Regime as evidenced by the 2000 Donniyeh incidents (where the Lebanese army cleaned the Syrian Moukhabarat's $hit)...
Syria, surely benefits from coming back into Lebanon, however, it is upon us the Lebanese to prevent that from happening by eradicating the fundamentalists from the North rather than by burying our head in the sand the way SH just did in his press conference...

You need to rewind to 2007 when the loyalists kept on denying the existence of al-kaeda affiliated cells in the north, and then the $hit hit the fan, and 140 army martyrs later, Fateh el Islam were eradicated...

Lets not make the same mistake twice...
If Donniyeh terrorists were Syrians made/related, why would hariri free them up in 2005 along with criminal geagea...I can not reconcile those two events..
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Give the army the green light, and sit back and enjoy the pop corn...

I think they proved their worth in Donniyeh 2000, Naher el Bared 2007...
If my memory serves right, it was us that gave the army the green light to fight off the FeI terrorists
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If my memory serves right, it was us that gave the army the green light to fight off the FeI terrorists
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