Bahrain Names a Jewish Ambassador to the US

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Tararamtamtam

Harrun didnt say that appoiting a jew as ambassador is a good thing in itself or that Lebanon should do the same...

He wanted to do mark the fact that in Lebanon, the most progressive of Arab countries, jews dont live safely and hide their identity, while in Bahrein, which is supposed to be of far less democratic standards, they live normally and are even appointed to high state jobs...

He wanted to use that as a comparaison, and maybe as a wake up call, not as an example to follow...

Why do the Jews living in Lebanon feel the need to hide their identity! Who's going to harm them? Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Do you know that i never knew there were Jews living in Lebanon till recently? Isn't that stupid? How the hell are they living! Why don't they show themselves? Isn't it their country too? For God's sake, if you live in a place and remain in it, not willing to move to Israel, then it's logically the place you regard as home. If they are willing to put up with the life of hiding just to stay in Lebanon, then we'd be dogs to even approach one of them on the street with a dirty look (not that we do it). So why the hiding?

[Tararamtamtam]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Can you give a rough percentage as to how many are not pro-Israel? I have my doubts...

But why? Do we eat humans? If you don't want to harm me, why would I harm you?

I know many Jews like that. It's not judaism as a religion that I'm against, it's ideologies which i judge based on actions.

1- Lebanese jews are too secretive and I don't think they would accept to pass through any sort of poll... The few I know are very suspicious (up to an absessive point)... But they recent history proved that they don't have the attachement to Israel that other jewish communities show... I'm not sure, I dont remember where I read this number, but I think that only about 5% of the lebanese jews (which were as many of 28000 in 1975) emmigrated to Israel...


2- They are not afraid of anyone specificially... There was only one occurence where they were directly targeted, and that cost the life of 11 of their community leaders... That created a movement of panic, and accelerated their emmigration... And initiated the suspicion/paranoia that they show today... Plus, you know perfectly well that "you can never know"... Idiots are everywhere, ignorants even more, and the slightest potentiality of being target, even by only a handfull of badly intentioned fanatics, is enough to create an atmosphere of uneasiness and fear...

3- I agree with you... It's not judaism, but zionism which is to be opposed... Unfortunaly, the zionists control enough medias worldwide and are propaganda geniuses, to the extent that they took most of the jews worldwide to their side...

[Tararamtamtam]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Why do the Jews living in Lebanon feel the need to hide their identity! Who's going to harm them? Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Do you know that i never knew there were Jews living in Lebanon till recently? Isn't that stupid? How the hell are they living! Why don't they show themselves? Isn't it their country too? For God's sake, if you live in a place and remain in it, not willing to move to Israel, then it's logically the place you regard as home. If they are willing to put up with the life of hiding just to stay in Lebanon, then we'd be dogs to even approach one of them on the street with a dirty look (not that we do it). So why the hiding?

Same answer as here :

They are not afraid of anyone specificially... There was only one occurence where they were directly targeted, and that cost the life of 11 of their community leaders... That created a movement of panic, and accelerated their emmigration... And initiated the suspicion/paranoia that they show today... Plus, you know perfectly well that "you can never know"... Idiots are everywhere, ignorants even more, and the slightest potentiality of being target, even by only a handfull of badly intentioned fanatics, is enough to create an atmosphere of uneasiness and fear...

Especially when we have the concerned ennemy entity as an agressive neighbour that attacked us several times, which might blind more than a handfull of vengefull ignorants... Whatever the sect of these, Chiia, Sunnis, christians, ect...

[mickey117]

Originally Posted by Tararamtamtam

Harrun didnt say that appoiting a jew as ambassador is a good thing in itself or that Lebanon should do the same...

He wanted to do mark the fact that in Lebanon, the most progressive of Arab countries, jews dont live safely and hide their identity, while in Bahrein, which is supposed to be of far less democratic standards, they live normally and are even appointed to high state jobs...

He wanted to use that as a comparaison, and maybe as a wake up call, not as an example to follow...

Lebanon is faaaaaaaaaar from being the most progressive of arab countries

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Tararamtamtam

Same answer as here :

They are not afraid of anyone specificially... There was only one occurence where they were directly targeted, and that cost the life of 11 of their community leaders... That created a movement of panic, and accelerated their emmigration... And initiated the suspicion/paranoia that they show today... Plus, you know perfectly well that "you can never know"... Idiots are everywhere, ignorants even more, and the slightest potentiality of being target, even by only a handfull of badly intentioned fanatics, is enough to create an atmosphere of uneasiness and fear...

Especially when we have the concerned ennemy entity as an agressive neighbour that attacked us several times, which might blind more than a handfull of vengefull ignorants... Whatever the sect of these, Chiia, Sunnis, christians, ect...

No one has to live with that. Who do you turn to? 25% of the population and the government didn't protect us! What did they leave for those who have no Katyousha? It's not fair really... Just imagine being born into one of those homes and having to live like that...

[CitizenOfTheRepublic]

Originally Posted by mount_amel

The whole point is that Bahrain's move appointing a jew shows how much submissive the goverment is to the US.

The shiats there are around 80% and they dont get appointed to such positions because the elite sunnis dont allow them take these positions and now they are appointing a JEW !

how pathetic this can be .. Arun is asking us to have a jewish president so that the west love us and support our cause .. What cause and what jews ..

When we build a secular state then i can appoint qualified people regradless of thier sect.

I think you are misreading what Haruun is asking for... Tararamtamtam I think nailed it in his posts...
Not to say that I do not agree with some of your points.

[Ana3arabi!]

Tararamtamtam , there is progressivism in the Arab world (we have to thank the arab leaders for this !) , so there is no comparison to make . now to present a case of an arab leader appointing a jew to a position as "progressive" or "more progressive" than the situation of Leb. Jews , is ridiculous . u are comparing something that doesn't exist (progressivism in bahrain ) to something that doesn't exist (progressivism in lebanon ). ..

[Tararamtamtam]

Originally Posted by mickey117

Lebanon is faaaaaaaaaar from being the most progressive of arab countries

At least, that's the image we want to give of ourselves...

Or at least, it depends of what field we can consider ourselves progressive...

But care to give more of your opinion? What arab country do you consider more progressive, and in what field? Intelectual, political, democratic, pluralistic, ect?

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Tararamtamtam

At least, that's the image we want to give of ourselves...

Or at least, it depends of what field we can consider ourselves progressive...

But care to give more of your opinion? What arab country do you consider more progressive, and in what field? Intelectual, political, democratic, pluralistic, ect?

Not appointing a Jew in place of the new president . That makes us less progressive.

How are they "progressive"? Bi shou ? Bil3amele? I'd say yes...

[Ana3arabi!]

Originally Posted by dodzi

I'm leaving this thread. I feel some Lebanese people have such a backwards mentality it makes me wanna puke.

Good luck to those who are still trying to convince those neo-arabofascists about Human Rights and Freedom of Expression!

so i am a neo-arabofascist simply because i said it is ridiculous to say bahrain is more progressive than lebanon simply bcz it gave a jew a job ?
every1 has freedom of expression , or should have it . jews are free to come out & say they are jewish , if they don't want to , they are exercising their right too . but if they don't speak about what they are afraid of , how is anyon supposed to understand them or protect them ? if they dont identify themselves as a community how would they be protected ? either way the 1st step is theirs to be taken , they should come out & say they are jewish , no one will hurt them , i bet u most of them don't live in dahieh , south lebanon or baalbak-hermel anyway .