Bahrain Names a Jewish Ambassador to the US

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by CitizenOfTheRepublic

Of course this has nothing to do with sectarianim, because Judaism is not a sect, it is a political opinion...
Ma fee far2...

Zionist Jews are the ones I referred to. That is not a religion, it's a retarted sectarian ideology.

[CitizenOfTheRepublic]

Originally Posted by Ana3arabi!

dodzi , first of all why are u trying to stick personal opinions of HA supporters on this issue on HA as a party ? dalzi is most probably not even a member , only a supporter of HA , no different than christian supporters of HA . individuals don't speak for a party , the party leadership speaks for the party , so what dark side are u talking about ? our leaders have met Jews , chomsky has even lived in an israeli kibbutz & still our leaders met with him . like i said , there are always racist people , just read how the other day someone said something that i understood to mean that the shi3a aren't really lebanese cos we don't "look" lebanese , we "look" like syrian laborers & palestinians, that's what someone said here , and others echoed the same . the point is , there are always racist people one way or another , do u think that lebanese jews aren't racist towards us for example ? the fact that they stereotype us (if they feel threatened ) is indication that they are racist & paint an entire group w/ the same brush . like i said , jews are no exception ,not even as a minority , because there are also other minorities , like Alawites , Kurds, which would have to feel the same way if we applied your logic about threats. u had 3 people (antoine zahra, amine gemayel , and ridwan el sayyed ) in a year come up and say anti-armenian things , and yet armenians didn't start hiding their identity , so i don't see why the jews would do that , if there are as many jews as haruun says there are .

There are far more than you think...
That much I can tell you...
And they are very much afraid of persecution... Imagine in real life if they face a person with Dalzi's fiery opinions, that would definitely embellish their day wouldn't it... KKK a la libanaise...

[CitizenOfTheRepublic]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Zionist Jews are the ones I referred to. That is not a religion, it's a retarted sectarian ideology.

For starters you may clarify this by not lumping them all together under the banner of "probability"...

[mount_amel]

Originally Posted by CitizenOfTheRepublic

MA, this is about EVERY Lebanese citizen gaining his full right...

Even if they were 0.00001%, you'd leave the injustice your compatriots are suffering because there are not that many? Or would that stand in the way of helping the 70%?

The whole point is that Bahrain's move appointing a jew shows how much submissive the goverment is to the US.

The shiats there are around 80% and they dont get appointed to such positions because the elite sunnis dont allow them take these positions and now they are appointing a JEW !

how pathetic this can be .. Arun is asking us to have a jewish president so that the west love us and support our cause .. What cause and what jews ..

When we build a secular state then i can appoint qualified people regradless of thier sect.

[Ana3arabi!]

Originally Posted by CitizenOfTheRepublic

There are far more than you think...
That much I can tell you...

that much u can tell me, but not more . what is your source ? u know the numbers but can't show me where u got those numbers from ?

And they are very much afraid of persecution... Imagine in real life if they face a person with Dalzi's fiery opinions, that would definitely embellish their day wouldn't it... KKK a la libanaise...

there are many people with fiery opinions & what is worse , people who are willing to act on them . dalzi probably wouldn't even be able to skin a cat let alone a human being . the same cannot be said for some others , in north lebanon for example . shouldn't u be more concerned about the fate of Alawis in the north ??? but ok, jews matter more , if a jew is appointed minister it means the country is progressive , and the rest of us, shi3a , christians , armenians , kurds , alawis , etc. can go to hell , right ?
words are not the same as actions . i don't see whre dalzi was advocating violence . & that type of ppl don't spend half their day chit-chatting on a forum innocently .

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Tararamtamtam

Please, don't generalise...

You have to know that the jewish community of Lebanon is the only one in the arab world that grew after the creation of Israel... Why? Because they felt at ease in Lebanon, and they were protected here...

Then, of those that left, very few went to Israel, even though the jewish agency kept contacting them and giving them great offers if they chose to do their Alyah... Most left for France, Canada, the USA, Brasil, in otehr words, those same countries the lebanese favored, whatever their sect... Also, this movement started after the israeli invasion of 1982, because they began fearing ignorant paralells between them and the invaders (11 community leaders were kidnaped and assassinated by some islamist militia)...

This shows that the jews of Lebanon never had this zionist "urge" that you insist on applying to them...

Can you give a rough percentage as to how many are not pro-Israel? I have my doubts...

There are many that are still here... Several hundreds, but they stay quiet... And the fact that they chose to stay, even in this situation of relative fear and secrecy, shows how much they're attached to Lebanon...

But why? Do we eat humans? If you don't want to harm me, why would I harm you?

Now on a personal note, we know some jewish Lebanese... They were quite open about it, and lived in Jounieh... They left in the mid-nineties for Australia... They were supporters of Aoun, still are, and have no liking for Israel which they blame for all the troubles of the jews worldwide...

Check the site The TheJewsOfLebanon.org , you will get many infos, if you're interested in the subject...

I know many Jews like that. It's not judaism as a religion that I'm against, it's ideologies which i judge based on actions.

[CitizenOfTheRepublic]

Originally Posted by Ana3arabi!

that much u can tell me, but not more . what is your source ? u know the numbers but can't show me where u got those numbers from ?

Dude do your own research, there are many articles on that website that reveal numbers...
On a personal basis, I know 3 families in Lebanon, and a few others that emigrated to France but still visit.

Originally Posted by Ana3arabi!

there are many people with fiery opinions & what is worse , people who are willing to act on them . dalzi probably wouldn't even be able to skin a cat let alone a human being . the same cannot be said for some others , in north lebanon for example . shouldn't u be more concerned about the fate of Alawis in the north ??? but ok, jews matter more , if a jew is appointed minister it means the country is progressive , and the rest of us, shi3a , christians , armenians , kurds , alawis , etc. can go to hell , right ?
words are not the same as actions . i don't see whre dalzi was advocating violence . & that type of ppl don't spend half their day chit-chatting on a forum innocently .

No one is talking violence in here, unless I missed the post. Persecution does not require violence if that is what confused you.
And why is it that it has to be either help the Jews or help the Alawites... Would helping one stand in the way of helping the other? I don't understand the logic...

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by mount_amel

The whole point is that Bahrain's move appointing a jew shows how much submissive the goverment is to the US.

The shiats there are around 80% and they dont get appointed to such positions because the elite sunnis dont allow them take these positions and now they are appointing a JEW !

how pathetic this can be .. Arun is asking us to have a jewish president so that the west love us and support our cause .. What cause and what jews ..

When we build a secular state then i can appoint qualified people regradless of thier sect.

3a raso rishe.

[Tararamtamtam]

Harrun didnt say that appoiting a jew as ambassador is a good thing in itself or that Lebanon should do the same...

He wanted to do mark the fact that in Lebanon, the most progressive of Arab countries, jews dont live safely and hide their identity, while in Bahrein, which is supposed to be of far less democratic standards, they live normally and are even appointed to high state jobs...

He wanted to use that as a comparaison, and maybe as a wake up call, not as an example to follow...

[dodzi]

I'm leaving this thread. I feel some Lebanese people have such a backwards mentality it makes me wanna puke.

Good luck to those who are still trying to convince those neo-arabofascists about Human Rights and Freedom of Expression!