Baabda Elections 2009

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Arze

كنج يدفع ثمن معركة جزين

07 أيار 2009 آخر تحديث: 07 أيار 2009


طبعاً سيكون ثمّة خاسرين كثر في معركة جزين التي يفترض أن تشهد مواجهة محتدمة بين مرشحي التيار الوطني الحر الذين سماهم العماد ميشال عون اليوم، والمرشح سمير عازار الذي يفترض أن يتحالف مع المرشح إدمون رزق عن المقعد الماروني الثاني ونقولا سالم عن المقعد الكاثوليكي لأن الإثنين المذكورين يعتبران الأقوى وسط المناوئثين لعون.
في النتيجة، كان المرشح عن المقعد الشيعي في بعبدا رمزي كنج أول الخاسرين. لأن اتخاذ المعارضة قرار مواجهة بعضها بعضاً في جزين، دفع حزب الله إلى التمسك بالمقعد الشيعي الثاني في بعبدا.
وفي المعلومات المتوفرة للنشرة فإن وجهة نظر حزب الله كانت كالتالي:
1- يوافق العماد عون على ترشح النائب سمير عازار على لائحته في جزين فيسمي من يشاء لشغل المقعد الشيعي في بعبدا
2- يشكل عون لائحة من مقعدين في حزين تاركاً مقعد فارغ للنائب سمير عازار فيتوافق عون وحزب الله على المرشح الشيعي في بعبدا
3- يقفل عون لائحته في جزين دون عازار فيسمي حزب الله وحده المرشح الشيعي في بعبدا.

هكذا يكون كنج قد خسر المقعد...

El Nashra

If what is being reported is true (though Al nashra's credibility is subzero in my book), then congratulation on such allies. After all what FPM & HA have gone through together, this how HA repays FPM? by sticking with Berri against FPM? HA has sacrificed seats everywhere for the sake of non-influential allies like SSNP, Baath, and even sacrificed for Amal, but if Ramzi is not chosen, then truly and with 100% certainty, HA has sacrificed nothing & offered nothing for FPM, not in a single district.
By the way, if what is being said here is true, then why did HA withdraw from Beirut 2 in favor of Amal? so that it can personally take matters into its own hands when dealing with FPM? if that's so, then this is even more dangerous and sickening than Amal's recurrent backstabbing. HA withdrew so that it would directly control the strings of negotiations with FPM.

This article may be just bogus, but if in some way Ramzi is not picked, my respect for HA will diminish severely, and its status in my book will be just a bit higher than Berri's. Not to mention that such a move will cost HA a lot in the FPM circles.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

If it's a matter of principle, than Kanj should be the second Shiite candidate in Baabda, no questions asked.

We are doing a 'mou7asasa'' game, which FPM always criticized...

Kanj gathered 3000 Shiites votes alone in 2005, he should be the uncontested second opposition Shiite candidate, and if he is not going to, then Jizzine' move was reckless to say the least, cus there is no guarantee after June 7 that the opposition stays the same, and therefore no guarantee for Kanj to become a Minister.

TK

the 7ell with opposition and all others, if we are the ones to be shafted all the time.
GENERAL should name KNAJ TOO and let each party shows its stand.
khalass ba2a maba2ash te7moulllllllllllll.some issues are bigger than win or lose
berri had to understand that he can not shove us around...like he did on many occasions ( judges,jobs in govt, student eletion in saida, etc....).

now, if that will have reprecussion, than the whole mou3arada **** was a joke, wa bala7a really..

already 45% ( 14shbatt) of the lebanese are against fixing this country, if our brothers in HA and amal decided to join them, they 3an jadd let this country go to hell.

LET THEM DEAL WITH sa3doun and his wahhabis ideas.
i would love to sit home and watch what is happening, while sipping a drink.
maybe it is time for GENERAL to slow down and take it easy, and politically enjoy his second term.
let him behave as the bride that all suitors wants, we can offer a lottttttttt.

walla zamann al tasa7oullllllllllllllllllll.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by lebgeneral

Perhaps, you didn't check the Baabda demography data yet!

Demography doesn't gauge popularity, do you know if Kanj can grab some shiite votes from shiite voters? do you know if can get all the non shiite voters? What do we know about his popularity?
Bottom line a third shiite from Feb 14 is unable to beat Kanj or HA candidate then having him on the list doesn't jeopardize the opposition seat so why not.

[lebgeneral]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

Demography doesn't gauge popularity, do you know if Kanj can grab some shiite votes from shiite voters? do you know if can get all the non shiite voters? What do we know about his popularity?
Bottom line a third shiite from Feb 14 is unable to beat Kanj or HA candidate then having him on the list doesn't jeopardize the opposition seat so why not.

Kanj got 3000 Chiite votes in 2005 despite the fatwa...

so yes, he can get votes..

[LebanesePride]

Why should the 2nd seat be left and Kanj be ignored?

Chou khass Jezzine?

Did Berri withdraw in Jezzine for us? No, hes going to battle. So if anything, keep Kanj and let Berri present his candidate in baabda too.

[MockingBird]

Originally Posted by lebgeneral

Kanj got 3000 Chiite votes in 2005 despite the fatwa...

so yes, he can get votes..

2900 were the anti-HA / Amal and 100 on his own... his own family
please chweyit manti2!!
what happened is great
let them take the 2nd chi3a seat
but FULL SPEED WORK FOR JEZZINE
FPM SHOULD BEAT NB AND HIS AZAR AND THEY CAN DO IT

[unitedlb]

Originally Posted by Placebo

I dont think ramzi kanj will stay in the race anymore, we cannot afford 2 battles against 7alif 7alifna, ba3den it contradicts what we did in Jezzine. enno if we close the "Christian" list in jezzine with that argument that Christian seats are FPM's right, then i dont think we can have Kanj anymore in Baabda. i hope what happened in jezzine wont be to the loyalist's advantage, not only in that district, but in baabda and jbeil too (and west belkaa to a certain extent)

Well we didn't exactly choose the Christian seats in Marjeyoun/Hasbayya, Zahrani or Baalback. HA and Berri did. Why can't we choose Shiite seats? We have only chosen the one in Jbeil (Skaff will choose Hassan Yaacoub in Zahle). Why can't we choose a 2nd in Baabda. We are after all a secular party. Hariri/Jumblatt will be choosing more Christian seats than LF/Kataeb/Ahrar/ketle wataniyye combined. Why can't we implement what is fair given that Berri has hijacked Jezzine for 9 years.

RAMZI IN BAABDA ALL THE WAY!

[CedarLb]

Shirley announced the 3 maronite candidates and the Durzi one, but she did NOT mention Ramzi Kanj

[LebanesePride]

No ramzi. Maybe thats the price to get Hezballahs votes in Jezzine and Baabda.

[Lebanon]

Originally Posted by CedarLb

Shirley announced the 3 maronite candidates and the Durzi one, but she did NOT mention Ramzi Kanj

What makes you think that Kanj will be on the list? The second shiite will be nominated by HA. It was on hold to be given to FPM in case a deal was reached with Berri over Jezzine. With the current situation HA needs a compensation for pulling out Amin Sherri, and that would be the shiite seat in Baabda.

Again, was a battle in Jezzine worth sacrificing Kanj?