Baabda Elections 2009

[TayyarBeino]

كيف صوت المسيحيون في حارة حريك؟

2009-04-29
Albalad

مطالبة لائحة ١٤ آذار في بعبدا وبالتحديد الاعضاﺀ المسيحيين فيها دون المسلمين، بنقل صناديق اقتراع المسيحيين من الضاحية الجنوبية الى خارجها، واشتراك الرئيس امين الجميل وسمير جعجع في اثارة هذا الطلب، دفع بالتيار الوطني الحر الى كشف ارقام صناديق المسيحيين في الضاحية وتحديدا في حارة حريك في انتخابات ٢٠٠٥ عندما كان حزب الله متحالفاً مع الكتائب والقوات وكذلك جنبلاط والحريري في لائحة واجهت واسقطت لائحة التيار الوطني الحر.

ومن هذه الارقام ان بلدة حارة حريك كان يوجد فيها ٥١٣١ ناخبا مسيحيا اقترع منهم في الصناديق التي توزعت على مدارس الحارة ٣٠٣٣ مقترعاً اي ما نسبته ٪٥٩٫١١ توزعوا على الشكل التالي: مرشح حزب الله الحاج علي عمار نال ٢٩١ صوتا ونال منافسه في اللائحة العونية رمزي كنج ٢٦٩٣ صوتا ونال مرشح الكتائب المرحوم انطوان غانم ٣٠٠ صوت ونال مرشح القوات المرحوم ادمون نعيم ٣١٧ صوتاً في حين نال العضو الماروني في اللائحة العونية حكمت ديب ٢٧٢٧ صوتا وهو الرقم الذي حصل عليه تقريباً سائر اعضاﺀ اللائحة العونية.

وفي هذه الحالة، يكون الناخب المسيحي قد مارس كامل حقوقه في انتخابات ٢٠٠٥ في الصناديق التي كانت موجودة في حارة حريك، وحجب هذا الناخب صوته علناً عن مرشح حزب الله وعن سائر حلفاﺀ حزب الله في اللائحة ومنهم الكتائب والقوات، كما هو معلوم. والسؤال المطروح من اوساط التيار الوطني: اين هو واين كان تأثير حزب الله على الصوت المسيحي في حارة حريك في انتخابات ٢٠٠٥، وهل المطالبة بنقل الصناديق الآن الى خارج حارة حريك تعطي لائحة ١٤ آذار اكثر مما اعطاها في الانتخابات الماضية؟ ..

واذا كان حزب الله سيتدخل مع الناخب المسيحي ألم يكن بامكانه ان يمارس هذا التدخل في الانتخابات الماضية التي لم يحصل مرشحه فيها الا على نسبة ٪٨٫٨ فقط من اصوات المسيحيين؟ ..

[lebanese1]

To those who criticized me last week for saying that Baabda's seat is being UNFAIRLY linked to Jezzine's in the opposition's negotiations, are you now (10 days later) finally convinced or not yet?

[ohyeah]

اعلان اسم كنج في لائحة "التغيير" مسألة وقت

01 أيار 2009

علمت "النشرة" أن اسم المرشّح رمزي كنج عن المقعد الشيعي على لائحة "التغيير والاصلاح" في بعبدا حسم، وبات الاعلان عن اسمه مسألة وقت ليعلن العماد ميشال عون انضمامه الى اللائحة.

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[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by lebanese1

To those who criticized me last week for saying that Baabda's seat is being UNFAIRLY linked to Jezzine's in the opposition's negotiations, are you now (10 days later) finally convinced or not yet?

FPM is like justice
its wheels moves slowly but surely......and steadily

[lebanese1]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

FPM is like justice
its wheels moves slowly but surely......and steadily

The problem isn't with FPM. It is with the allies unfortunately.

Kanj's nomination was supposed to be finalized and confirmed since the moment HA withdrew their MP from Beirut 2.

[007returns]

Originally Posted by Zehlawi

it is simply B... S...

It really shows that you have no idea when you say its ********.....
Even the tayyar webiste does not have figures about the number of voters in sahel and jurd baabda posted.....

When they say the jurd baabda is not represented , its true..... chbeniye,, hammana , falougha,3in dara, and many more villages. We need a candidate from this area living in this area who knows the people of this area and their problems...

Don't be surprised if abdallah farhat gets alot of christians vote , we only have to blame ourselves. this doesn't mean that voters in this area think in a tribal way , it means they care and they feel represented if they know the person. Get the figures right , 30% or more votes comes from jurd baabda...

P.S: Admiting a mistake is a virtue and sometimes all it takes.

[CitizenOfTheRepublic]

Originally Posted by 007returns

It really shows that you have no idea when you say its ********.....
Even the tayyar webiste does not have figures about the number of voters in sahel and jurd baabda posted.....

When they say the jurd baabda is not represented , its true..... chbeniye,, hammana , falougha,3in dara, and many more villages. We need a candidate from this area living in this area who knows the people of this area and their problems...

Don't be surprised if abdallah farhat gets alot of christians vote , we only have to blame ourselves. this doesn't mean that voters in this area think in a tribal way , it means they care and they feel represented if they know the person. Get the figures right , 30% or more votes comes from jurd baabda...

P.S: Admiting a mistake is a virtue and sometimes all it takes.

There is a high executive position that FPM has allocated to a person from the Jurd as you call it.
And that person is very well connected to the Jurd families, is FPM's ally and is working hard for the election.

Now guys do me a favor: it's not that every time a new slogan is pushed by the loyalist that we are going to buy into it and panick.

[MockingBird]

Originally Posted by 007returns

It really shows that you have no idea when you say its ********.....
Even the tayyar webiste does not have figures about the number of voters in sahel and jurd baabda posted.....

When they say the jurd baabda is not represented , its true..... chbeniye,, hammana , falougha,3in dara, and many more villages. We need a candidate from this area living in this area who knows the people of this area and their problems...

Don't be surprised if abdallah farhat gets alot of christians vote , we only have to blame ourselves. this doesn't mean that voters in this area think in a tribal way , it means they care and they feel represented if they know the person. Get the figures right , 30% or more votes comes from jurd baabda...

P.S: Admiting a mistake is a virtue and sometimes all it takes.

I think Baabda nominations is the biggest mistake for FPM in this election...
Kortbawi fits very well in the list .... he got more than gharios in 05 and he is way more experienced than alain plus he is well respected in the jurd area...
Other nominations like jbeil and achrafieh look very well balanced...
I really can't find any reason for this faux-pas in baabda .... afraid from daccache and his chi3a votes??

[007returns]

Originally Posted by MockingBird

I think Baabda nominations is the biggest mistake for FPM in this election...
Kortbawi fits very well in the list .... he got more than gharios in 05 and he is way more experienced than alain plus he is well respected in the jurd area...
Other nominations like jbeil and achrafieh look very well balanced...
I really can't find any reason for this faux-pas in baabda .... afraid from daccache and his chi3a votes??

Even if FPM was affraid from daccache chi3a voters the best way to counter it is to get more christian votes from the jabal.Daccache was popular in the moutains because he was respected there however a candidate from the moutains will get alot more votes the he would anyday.

[TTT1]

Originally Posted by 007returns

Even if FPM was affraid from daccache chi3a voters the best way to counter it is to get more christian votes from the jabal.Daccache was popular in the moutains because he was respected there however a candidate from the moutains will get alot more votes the he would anyday.

This is not a game and surely not something where a subjective decision is used.
You can't say it is a mistake if you don't have the background of the decision. GMA said clearly how he will be doing decisions and I believe he is sticking to it.
PLUS, he mentioned many times that we have to end this segmentations of Jurd, Sahel,....What else you want every village to vote for a candidate?
Alain Aoun replaced Cortbawi because he was ahead in all polls. This is not about how much cortbawi was ahead of Gharios in 2005.....