Baabda Elections 2009

[Fakhr eddine 1618]

Originally Posted by Amirkani

Alain was more active in FPM than 90% of our present MPs and candidates. I personally experienced his activism in the previous 15 years more than any of our MPs (half of whom I never even knew that they support FPM before 2005)... and I know what I am talking about because there was no one more involved than I was in FPM during that time... iyem el-2elleh, as they call them.

Now, I am not saying I am an advocate of every old activist becoming an MP. But to be fair to the old activists, including those related to GMA, we have to admit they are as entitled to run (if not more) as all the other "new" activists if they qualify and have the desire to run. And Alain is no dumbass... he is more than qualified like many of our first-time candidates... just like Simon is... and like Georges Atallah is.

In short, Alain was about to be penalized for nothing more than being Aoun's relative. He made a fuss about it? Yes, he did... but a fuss backed by statistics showing him to surpass other potential candidates according to the criteria FPM laid out. I wouldn't have done it if I were in his shoes just to give Aoun some breathing room... but no 2 people are the same.

Heck, we accept that "sense of entitlement" from non-FPMers who never lifted a finger to help FPM before 2005... fina nmarre2a for an old activist.

What FPM traits? There are many. If you're talking exclusively about the absence of that "sense of entitlement" that you mentioned and about selflessness, you will be hard pressed to find 1 or 2 candidates with those specific traits... and no need to name names.

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Come on Mirka, let us make a Poll here,
1- if you are a real FPMer and found out that you are overcoming Naji Gharios in Statistics, but GMA is obliged to take one of Gharios Family in Chiyyah, what would you do?

"bettayyes" and you still run or you assist GMA and give him the chance to make his list?

2- If you are a real FPmer, would you look for the 2 most secure areas to run and win, se3a bi kesserwen and se3a bi Baabda? is this what ABou Jamra is doing?

[lebgeneral]

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

Kortbawi is out of the list WITH FULL SATISFACTION AND AGREEMENT WITH GMA.

Source: Verrrrrrry close and reliable sources. Don't worry, you'll see him soon fighting for reform in the government BUT WE MUST GET THE MAJORITY FIRST.

It's not about Kortbawi satisfied or not!! I'm sure he is!
it's about that we now have a full Partisan list against a full (apparently) independent list.

Now we all now that the independent list has nothing of independent in it, and is mad3oume by LF, kataeb, Mostaqbal and Joumblat but still, unfortunately it will attract independent far more than we'll do!

Do we have more than 50% FPMers in Baabda? no we don't: we are by far the most represented party in Baabda, but we don't have more than 50%. So we DO need these independents...

It's not about nagging, it's about telling you that FPM list is no more guaranteed in Baabda, so we need to move our as*** to get all candidates elected, because as far as i see it now, we will only see 2 maronites out of 3 elected..

[Amirkani]

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

Come on Mirka, let us make a Poll here,
1- if you are a real FPMer and found out that you are overcoming Naji Gharios in Statistics, but GMA is obliged to take one of Gharios Family in Chiyyah, what would you do?

"bettayyes" and you still run or you assist GMA and give him the chance to make his list?

2- If you are a real FPmer, would you look for the 2 most secure areas to run and win, se3a bi kesserwen and se3a bi Baabda? is this what ABou Jamra is doing?

I already said what "I" would have done. I wouldn't have done what Alain did. But no 2 people are the same, FPMers or non-FPMers... Besides, our situations are different. I never had an interest in running in the first place and Alain did.

On that point, I agree with you. We all need to give GMA breathing room. Half of GMA's headaches are from trying to fix the country and the other half come from trying to keep nagging FPMers satisfied. I even argued this specific point with Alain many times before.

However, this is not the point I was trying to bring up. I was arguing against what was posted here that Alain got the nomination because he's related to GMA. The truth is the opposite. Alain almost got penalized and shoved aside because he's related to GMA... and it's not the first time... he got penalized before for that. Well, this time, he made a bigger fuss about it.

As for running in a safe district, it's a good strategy that FPM should use more often. We need to get our new pure FPM faces and activists in there somehow if we are to hope for tangible change & reform. And no better place to do it than in safe districts because these new faces have nothing to count on except FPM's support... no large voting family, no money, no prior services. Yes, whenever we can sneak one in in a safe district, we ought to grab the opportunity.

In the end, I am not worried. Alain's candidacy will end up being to FPM's advantage. We will still win in Baabda and gain a fresh, young and "very capable" FPM face in Parliament.

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[LebReporter]

This thread is becoming so funny, after the strugle with Berri now FPMers are fighting with each other lol.

Its like FPMers cant live without an enemy :P

Regards

[X]

Originally Posted by Fakhr eddine 1618

Alain Aoun is not a real FPMer, he was never a FPMer

He used his relation to GMA to appear on TV , then used his appearances to have score in Statistics

We can never compare him to Gibran Bassil who was always a real Hardcore FPMer before even becoming relative to GMA

Just look at it this way:

Gibran Bassil is doing the most difficult, the most risky battle for FPM in Batroun

Alain se3a baddo yenzal bi keesserwan, se3a baddo yenzal bi Baabda, hence where results are secured. eh chou hal maskhara?

And now to gather the votes of chiites, he made yesterday a statement out of his own head that the case of chiites in Baabda is the same as christians in Jezzine (which means that like "chrisitian" FPM got the seat for a non-christian position in Baabda, "Chiites" Amal has the right for a non-chiites seat in Jezzine), is he a trader or what?

By simple words, if Alain Aoun was not the relative to GMA, he would have never been in FPM

And now he is blackmailing, selling and buying Hariri Style

Anyway, he will be "yetchattab" by a great number of people on the behalf of nony gharios who will get the chance to "ye5ro2" with a little support of Nabih Berri

This is the ultimate B******t!

Regardless of who deserves to be candidate or who doesn't, and regardless of one might have against a candidate, I don't think anyone is allowed to label others as FPMers or no-FPMers.

I am not going to talk about Alain's history in FPM, Amirkani did enough, but i am going to talk about my personal experience with Alain, i never met in my life anyone as humble as Alain and i never met anyone as polite as Alain.

Walla 3eib yen7aka heik 3an el 3alam......

[Tayyar Keserwen]

I really hope Pierre Daccashe withdraws and blesses our list...I was hoping he'd be on our list... too bad...

[mickey117]

Guys, you should have seen the speach of the LCP's candidate in Baabda yesterday!! He was holding it from a Husseiniyi :S :S

I mean, how the hell can people take you seriously while you're advocating marxism with Allah Akbar written behind you!!

[Sniper®]

Originally Posted by orange infection

one of the biggest families
w ma 7adan bye2rab el teneh
i know aouns from chouf (so so many) , keserwen and jezzine
i also discovered that there's aouns in za7le because of mp salim aoun
i am sure there's other aouns i don't know about

There is Aoun Family in Jdeideh-Baalbeck (Greek Catholics)

[JB81]

Originally Posted by mickey117

Guys, you should have seen the speach of the LCP's candidate in Baabda yesterday!! He was holding it from a Husseiniyi :S :S

I mean, how the hell can people take you seriously while you're advocating marxism with Allah Akbar written behind you!!

It's Lebanon man!!!!! You don't know a communist belief from a right wing one, to the Great Lebanese PSP party!!!!!If you wanna play the game, you have to play by the rules and unfortunatly, that's Lebanon, a religous, Patron-client relation, blindly following Feudle families......
Lebanon is far away from the political structure of the west... were politicians are mostly elected based on their LEFT/RIGHT wing ideologies....

[mickey117]

Originally Posted by JB81

It's Lebanon man!!!!! You don't know a communist belief from a right wing one, to the Great Lebanese PSP party!!!!!If you wanna play the game, you have to play by the rules and unfortunatly, that's Lebanon, a religous, Patron-client relation, blindly following Feudle families......
Lebanon is far away from the political structure of the west... were politicians are mostly elected based on their LEFT/RIGHT wing ideologies....

And I was stupid enough to think LCP was an exception.... The only difference of LCP is that byel3abooha ma3 kel el 2adyen!