Baabda Elections 2009

[ronny]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

what's with this sectarianism about christian seats for FPM and shiite seats for HA and Amal? IMO, there is nothing wrong if FPM gives away christian seats and gets in return shiite seats. FPM does not represent christians only. If anything, I encourage FPM to diversify its MP constituency as much as it can.

Diversity is essential and that's what FPM is trying to accomplish. Yet, it's a duty to kind of "Liberate" the Christian voters in Jezzeen and give them the right to choose who they want to choose not what Berre wants to force on them.

I'm with having an actual battle in Jezzeen where the voters are left to decide who actually will be representing them.

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[geogeo758]

I think in this district FPM will get 4/6 seats because I think Hnein and Edmond Gharious will be elected since they are very popular among Shias and Christians M8 and M14.

[unitedlb]

Originally Posted by geogeo758

I think in this district FPM will get 4/6 seats because I think Hnein and Edmond Gharious will be elected since they are very popular among Shias and Christians M8 and M14.

With all respect, I find it close to impossible to agree with you. So you think that FPM will only win 1 of the 3 Christian seats in the FPM heartland of Baabda? How much of the Shiites do you think February 14 will get? So much sacrifices are being made by Hezbollah kermel the opposition and you believe that many Shiites will vote for Feb 14 candidates. Do you really believe that Christians in Baabda will choose loyalists over FPM? Secondly, if Gharios and Hnein win, then FPM will only get 2 seats, because 1 Shiite seat is for Hezbollah and the Druze seat will most likely not be an FPMer. In 2009, FPM alone (with some small help from Arslan) almost won Baabda/Aley. Do you actually believe that FPM will ony win 1/3 Christian seats with Hezbollah fully on board (not to mention Hezbollah's desperation for opposition to win) and with Baabda being separate from Aley?

One more thing to anyone who can shed some light. What is happening with the second Shiite seat? Why hasn't Ramzi Kanj been declared a candidate yet. It's extremely important that Ramzi is elected. The guy is a great candidate, young, intelligent and friendly. He campaigned so much for a free and independent Lebanon and sacrificed a great deal for the cause. The FPM received about 20-25% of the Shiite vote in Baabda in 2005 and deserve a Shiite MP in Baabda. I think in Baabda, FPM should nominate 4/6 given their great popularity there and the fact that FPM voters in Baabda outnumber Hezbollah+AMAL by 3:1. Look at 2005 election results. 4/6 seats should be a minumum and maybe even the Druze seat.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by geogeo758

I think in this district FPM will get 4/6 seats because I think Hnein and Edmond Gharious will be elected since they are very popular among Shias and Christians M8 and M14.

Don't get caught too much in such dreams,for the awakening might be painful.

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by geogeo758

I think in this district FPM will get 4/6 seats because I think Hnein and Edmond Gharious will be elected since they are very popular among Shias and Christians M8 and M14.

do you think it is wiser to declare them to be LFers before the elections or after the results?

[Zero Cult]

Originally Posted by geogeo758

I think in this district FPM will get 4/6 seats because I think Hnein and Edmond Gharious will be elected since they are very popular among Shias and Christians M8 and M14.

The Shia will abide by the Hezb/Amal list, the only candidate not to be on the list who might get a good number of their votes is Dr Daccache.

[Youchka]

I respect Dr Daccache, but the heck is he trying to do? I mean he was on FPM list in 2005, he was chosen by GMA to be the MP after Ghanem's assassination, today, he was asked to leave a spot to others, ma fehmet ma baka hada ya3rif yenzal 3anan la hal kersse el ^&**%%$?

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Youchka

I respect Dr Daccache, but the heck is he trying to do? I mean he was on FPM list in 2005, he was chosen by GMA to be the MP after Ghanem's assassination, today, he was asked to leave a spot to others, ma fehmet ma baka hada ya3rif yenzal 3anan la hal kersse el ^&**%%$?

A Maronite leaving the chair on his own is considered as a rare species....Jenson 3atel ;)

[geogeo758]

Originally Posted by unitedlb

With all respect, I find it close to impossible to agree with you. So you think that FPM will only win 1 of the 3 Christian seats in the FPM heartland of Baabda? How much of the Shiites do you think February 14 will get? So much sacrifices are being made by Hezbollah kermel the opposition and you believe that many Shiites will vote for Feb 14 candidates. Do you really believe that Christians in Baabda will choose loyalists over FPM? Secondly, if Gharios and Hnein win, then FPM will only get 2 seats, because 1 Shiite seat is for Hezbollah and the Druze seat will most likely not be an FPMer. In 2009, FPM alone (with some small help from Arslan) almost won Baabda/Aley. Do you actually believe that FPM will ony win 1/3 Christian seats with Hezbollah fully on board (not to mention Hezbollah's desperation for opposition to win) and with Baabda being separate from Aley?

One more thing to anyone who can shed some light. What is happening with the second Shiite seat? Why hasn't Ramzi Kanj been declared a candidate yet. It's extremely important that Ramzi is elected. The guy is a great candidate, young, intelligent and friendly. He campaigned so much for a free and independent Lebanon and sacrificed a great deal for the cause. The FPM received about 20-25% of the Shiite vote in Baabda in 2005 and deserve a Shiite MP in Baabda. I think in Baabda, FPM should nominate 4/6 given their great popularity there and the fact that FPM voters in Baabda outnumber Hezbollah+AMAL by 3:1. Look at 2005 election results. 4/6 seats should be a minumum and maybe even the Druze seat.

I respect your opinion very much, but I must say that in Lebanon people don't vote based on democracy or on democratic principles, but they vote for who has done them the most favors and has helped them out. Edmond Gharios has given out and helped many people in Baabda and has done many Khadmat along with providing financial assistance for many residence. If M8 wins the entire list, he will probably be the only one to make it from M14.

[Makiabel]

هيئة حارة حريك: مشكلة " مهجري " الضاحية لم تعد موجودة الا في أذهان بعض الذين يحاولون خلق مشكلة وهمية لتغطية تقصيرهم وجرائمهم وعجزهم في آن

صدر عن هيئة حارة حريك في التيار الوطني الحر البيان التالي:

طالعنا مرشحو السيد وليد جنبلاط والسيد سعد الدين الحريري في قضاء بعبدا في اليومين الماضيين بمطالبتهم بنقل صناديق المسيحيين أبناء " الضاحية " الى خارجها ، إزاء هذه الهجمة المنظمة ، يهم التيار الوطني الحر في حارة حريك أن يوضح ما يلي :

إن المسيحيين أبناء الضاحية هم أبناء حارة حريك والمريجة الذين لم يعد يوجد بينهم أي مهجر
فمشكلة " مهجري " الضاحية لم تعد موجودة الا في أذهان بعض الذين يحاولون خلق مشكلة وهمية لتغطية تقصيرهم وجرائمهم وعجزهم في آن .

نطمئن هؤلاء الغيارى على مسيحي " الضاحية" إن المسيحيين الموجودين في تلك المنطقة منسجمين تماماً مع المقيمين فيها وهم يمارسون شعائرهم الدينية بصورة منتظمة كما أنهم إستعادوا كافة الأملاك العائدة لهم ولوقف كنائسهم واجراسها وهم يمارسون قناعاتهم السياسية بكل حرية وقد خاضوا إنتخابات 2005 بوجه الحلف الرباعي وملحقاته في قلب الضاحية وتمكنوا من حصد أكثر من 85 % من أصوات المسيحيين دون أن يتعرض لهم أحد ودون أن نسمع أي إعتراضات من هؤلاء المرشحين او من داعميهم فيما ظهر السيد وليد جنبلاط على شاشة التلفزة في الليلة نفسها ليهدد المسيحيين بالحرب لأنهم صوتوا للتيار الوطني الحر وها هو أخيراً ينعتهم مع غيرهم من الموارنة "بالجنس العاطل" دون أن نسمع أي تعليق من هؤلاء المرشحين او من داعميهم .

لم يفاجأ التيار الوطني الحر أن يكون بند إعادة تهجير أبناء حارة حريك والمريجة بنداً أساسياً على البرنامج الإنتخابي للوائح المدعومة من حلف الأكثرية "الراحلة قريباً" ،إذ يبدو أن هؤلاء وبعد أن قام بعض داعميهم بتهجير المسيحيين من الشوف والجبل بواسطة السلاح و بعد أن قام بعض داعميهم بتهجير قسم كبير من اللبنانيين عموماً والمسيحيين خصوصاً من خلال سياساتهم الإقتصادية المعروفة للجميع ها هم اليوم مرشحو هذه الطبقة " العاطلة " يحاولون إعادة تهجير أبناء " الضاحية " المسيحيين سياسياً .

وأخيراً، كنا نتمنى أن يقوم هؤلاء المرشحون بجولات على الفعاليات الروحية والسياسية مطالبين بوضع صناديق القرى المهجرة في الجبل والشوف في هذه القرى بدلاً من محاولة إعادة تهجير الذين عادوا الى قراهم ومدنهم .

ونقول لمسيحيي المولاة: "كفوا شركم عنا فنحن مع اهلنا في الحارة بألف خير"

Source:Tayyar.org