Aren't Women Qualified Enough?

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by coralie

amazing most of the members debating women's issues/rights... are men !!!!!!

hehe, spot on.

and as u have undoubtedly noticed also, that's not the first time this happens here either.

that's why i don't feel like participating much for this case apart from the very basics that must be said.

in the end each one must do his part, or at least try to analyze the situation or improve it, but no one hand can clap alone.

most feminist rights debates i had where about things i never said but was accused of nonetheless from all sides, that was one heck of a sidetracked waste of time hehe

unfortunately as i noted b4, Lebanon has too many pretty princesses and too little responsible women of character. Most guys here also leave very little to be desired when it comes to mental awareness unless one has prehistoric semian ideal standards in mind.

just what sad parliament has 1 or two or zero female mps in it out of 128?

and then those few mps might also be the sisters of someone.

no forced quotas can fix this, the lebanese society is all about looks and no soul.

when the ratio of female mps reaches 30 percent by itself then perhaps we will have something going on here hehe

i suspect that will happen soon around the corner of the next millennia.

now a tourist here might think we are a progressive ppl if he sees us in a week, but we’re as progressive individually and socially as a giant tortoise living nowadays but who was born in 1890.

so, no women in fpm ferocious enough for this electoral battle?? what a joke hehe

but hey, what am i whining about, we don’t even have civil marriage in this country yet so i should just be grateful that at least we are not totally stuck in the inquisition era then instead, and burning black cats to protect us from the devil hehe
(the harriri 2005-2009 era though came very close to the bs of the medieval inquisition era :)

[Mitzidupree]

Women's rights activists should also add: "You want my vote? Give me my right(s)" along "Be intelligent and vote blank".

Let women boycott this year's elections!

[Souss]

Originally Posted by LoubnaniTO

The issue of who makes the decisions within the party and whether it is democratic or not is completely different issue.

No, they are directly related. In a democratic process, the representatives of the party actually represent the base. At the opposite end, a party that is not democratic is automatically bound to have candidates which are not representative of its base. In FPM they are representative of what one unelected man believes is the right choice.

Again I ask you the question: If the women FPMers had a voice in choosing their party leadership/delegates, do you believe there would be more than zero women on FPM's lists?

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Originally Posted by LoubnaniTO

In addition, my comments were more general comments rather than strictly addressed to FPM.

While general perspectives are also relevant, the thread topic is about FPM and C&R, which you mention several times in your post.

[coralie]

Originally Posted by Mitzidupree

Women's rights activists should also add: "You want my vote? Give me my right(s)" along "Be intelligent and vote blank".

Let women boycott this year's elections!

ehhhhhhhhhhh khalasna ba2a !!!! leik chou helo chou ch7adeh el ossa ?!!!! why should any one GIVE me my rights ?
who said that i have to TAKE MY RIGHTS ? OR THAT SOMEONE (MEN) SOULD GIVE ME MY RIGHTS !!! . smalla i see lots of men joining the billion miles walk for women's rights now, so basically there is no problem LOL... my rights are safe and sound bel 7efez wel son .

I WILL VOTE BECAUSE I AM A FREE WOMAN .
I WILL VOTE BECAUSE I AM AN ACTIVE MEMBER IN THIS SOCIETY EQUAL TO THE MAN .

I WILL VOTE TO WHO EVER I LIKE , BECAUSE I AM VOTING FOR A PROGRAM, FOR VALUES I BELIEVE IN . NOT FOR PERSONS .

I CAN VOTE BLANK BECAUSE I AM FREE IT IS UP TO ME TO DECIDE , IT IS NOT UP TO THIS or THAT FEMINIST ACTIVIST GROUPE TO TELL ME THAT THIS WILL PROVE I AM INTELLIGENT i can as well stay home or go relax on the beach this will be more intelligent w bala el blank lachou 3azib hali heik bkoun belle= bronzee w intelligente = ekhir hammi el politics , ento w kel hal balad .

hal women activistes let them do the job when they should , smalla now sar el FPM against women's rights w nkhadach 2e7ssesson ??? lol... wlak ma your rullers for decades massa7o el ared fikon w bi your rights w metel el hebel sakato ! hala2 emit 2yemetkon ala chou ? on something they did not even understand ????????? LOL..LOL... i want to ask (an activiste) the wife of the famous sohr trablous MP in future block, how and when did this block help or listened to women's demands !
GO ASK GILBERT ZOUEIN (FPM MP lijnet al mar2a wal tifl ) WHAT SORT OF RIGHTS AND LAWS SHE WORKED ON FOR OUR BENEFIT . w she did not have to tetfalsaf ktir publicly 3al tali3 wel nezil. so dakhilkon rteho w ray7ouna . ALL WOMEN ARE CORDIALY INVITED TO VOTE , THIS IS YOUR DUTY AND YOUR RIGHT .

wlak they should put a law that put a limit to HABAL ! LOL...

[loubnaniTO]

Originally Posted by Souss

No, they are directly related. In a democratic process, the representatives of the party actually represent the base. At the opposite end, a party that is not democratic is automatically bound to have candidates which are not representative of its base. In FPM they are representative of what one unelected man believes is the right choice.

Again I ask you the question: If the women FPMers had a voice in choosing their party leadership/delegates, do you believe there would be more than zero women on FPM's lists?

To answer your question: i'm not sure! I'm not sure that if the base was included then we will have female candidates.... hence my other point about the blame being on everyone including the politically active females who are not stepping up and making enough effort.
On the other hand, your language assumes that selecting all male candidates it because "one unelected man believes is the right choice"... while if you go back and read some of the posts in this thread and if you have heard GA on TV once talking about the issue, he did say that they have approached several potential female candidates who qualified for the job, and they all declined. So let's not make it sound like GA doesn't care about women and their rights, and if it was up to the base things would've been different.

While general perspectives are also relevant, the thread topic is about FPM and C&R, which you mention several times in your post.

Souss, take it easy.. in my post i mention FPM only when i make reference to an "EXAMPLE" and not to the three points I was making on why women are not properly represented in the political life... in GENERAL. You have the right to be angry with FPM, but when i discuss the issue of women's rights and representation, it has to do with a more general mentality and not just FPM's. If women were properly represented in FPM's lists only, TRUST ME this will not affect the general society's perspective on women and their rights. The change should come not only from the parties, but from society as well (mainly women).

[coralie]

Originally Posted by Souss

If the women FPMers had a voice in choosing their party leadership/delegates, do you believe there would be more than zero women on FPM's lists?





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yes i do believe that we will have a good number of women withing the leadership women FPMers have lots of potential bas ana chahedti majrouha !. we have many exemples . i do not want to go into names .
of course as i see the number of men ready to GIVE us our rights i am more then confident the woman quota will be good !

[Youchka]

What is funny is a thread about women's rights and qualifications started by someone assuming bi kel se'a that in Lebanon, all women will vote according to what their husbands, fathers, brithers tell them to. So what the point of starting such a thread ya toura?

[Souss]

Originally Posted by loubnaniTO

To answer your question: i'm not sure! I'm not sure that if the base was included then we will have female candidates.... hence my other point about the blame being on everyone including the politically active females who are not stepping up and making enough effort.

It doesn't matter. The current candidates have no legality or legitimacy. If the process were democratic, and there were no women, then none of us could argue about anything. But it's not and hence should be challenged.

As for the "they're not doing enough", it's like saying FPMers didn't do enough to kick the Syrians out during 1990-2005.

Originally Posted by LoubnaniTO

On the other hand, your language assumes that selecting all male candidates it because "one unelected man believes is the right choice"... while if you go back and read some of the posts in this thread and if you have heard GA on TV once talking about the issue, he did say that they have approached several potential female candidates who qualified for the job, and they all declined. So let's not make it sound like GA doesn't care about women and their rights, and if it was up to the base things would've been different.

I didn't say that. in fact I believe he means well, but as they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. As a citizen, I care less about why politicians do things than what they actually do. If they don't do what I believe is in my interest, particularly on issues they have full control and for which there are no excuses to avoid, then it's completely fair to voice concern.

If it was up to the base, things would have definitely been different, unless you think Michel Aoun got it exactly right and pre-empted the decision of the majority of FPMers. In any case, like I said above, it doesn't matter since doing it this way voids the whole process and all the candidates of any legality or legitimacy.

Originally Posted by LoubnaniTO

Souss, take it easy.. in my post i mention FPM only when i make reference to an "EXAMPLE" and not to the three points I was making on why women are not properly represented in the political life... in GENERAL. You have the right to be angry with FPM, but when i discuss the issue of women's rights and representation, it has to do with a more general mentality and not just FPM's. If women were properly represented in FPM's lists only, TRUST ME this will not affect the general society's perspective on women and their rights. The change should come not only from the parties, but from society as well (mainly women).

Fair enough.

PS: I guess the forum's answer regarding the "off-topic" section of my post is clear

[Souss]

Originally Posted by coralie

yes i do believe that we will have a good number of women withing the leadership women FPMers have lots of potential bas ana chahedti majrouha !. we have many exemples . i do not want to go into names .
of course as i see the number of men ready to GIVE us our rights i am more then confident the woman quota will be good !

Actually examples and stories of activist women would be great...

On a side note, I don't think quotas are the way to go. Quotas are just another form of discrimination since they fix the amount of representation. Who's to say the number of women the people want is not 100%? or zero? Let a democratic process without rigid rules decide.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Mitzidupree

"Be intelligent and vote blank".

You mean "Be intelligent and think Orange"?

Does voting blank mean that you have nothing to say?
How do you punish anybody else but yourself by not going to vote/or voting blank?