Bahir was just a militiaman. He never cared about christians nor Lebanon. He only cared about himself. His first plan was to be the sole leader in "the christian canton". He killed his christian rivals, misplaced christians from Chouf and east Saida... After Isreali invasion, the game change, so does Bashir's tone. Now, instead of controlling a small land (mount Lebanon), he had a chance to become the president of the republic. He started to talk about the 10452 km2, a country of chritians AND muslims living side by side..... After he was selected as president, his new intentions of a new Lebanon (dictatorship style) scared the hell out of his traditional rivals, and his "openess" to the arab world bothered Israel...... He was left alone by his allies and killed by his rivals...
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Bahir was just a militiaman. He never cared about christians nor Lebanon. He only cared about himself. His first plan was to be the sole leader in "the christian canton". He killed his christian rivals, misplaced christians from Chouf and east Saida... After Isreali invasion, the game change, so does Bashir's tone. Now, instead of controlling a small land (mount Lebanon), he had a chance to become the president of the republic. He started to talk about the 10452 km2, a country of chritians AND muslims living side by side..... After he was selected as president, his new intentions of a new Lebanon (dictatorship style) scared the hell out of his traditional rivals, and his "openess" to the arab world bothered Israel...... He was left alone by his allies and killed by his rivals...
Bahir was just a militiaman. He never cared about christians nor Lebanon. He only cared about himself. His first plan was to be the sole leader in "the christian canton". He killed his christian rivals, misplaced christians from Chouf and east Saida... After Isreali invasion, the game change, so does Bashir's tone. Now, instead of controlling a small land (mount Lebanon), he had a chance to become the president of the republic. He started to talk about the 10452 km2, a country of chritians AND muslims living side by side..... After he was selected as president, his new intentions of a new Lebanon (dictatorship style) scared the hell out of his traditional rivals, and his "openess" to the arab world bothered Israel...... He was left alone by his allies and killed by his rivals...
I fully agree with you on the evaluation of Bachir Gemayel but for the sake of historical accuracy, the displacement of the Christians from Shouf and East Saida took place more than 1 year after his death.
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I fully agree with you on the evaluation of Bachir Gemayel but for the sake of historical accuracy, the displacement of the Christians from Shouf and East Saida took place more than 1 year after his death.
Thanks for pointing out the historical accuracy.
Regardless of historical events, Bashir/LF plans of Christian canton was the displacement of christians in mixture areas,where partition of Lebanon into mini religious states becomes easier....
so at a certain time you were allied with Israel as a kataeb/LF/AHRAR etc.. but today you are allied against israel with iran!?
Who is that "you" you're talking about? Bachir and FPM have nothing to do with each other. Bachir died a decade before anyone started sowing the seeds of FPM.
Some FPMers have fond memories of Bachir and some hate his guts. Everyone is free with their own beliefs regarding Bachir. Whether an FPMer likes him or hates him is irrelevant to what FPM was, is or will be. Bachir and FPM are 2 different animals. Bachir had no impact in shaping FPM.
It's like trying to analyze whether FPM's ideology or stances are the right ones based on whether some FPMers think Charles De Gaulle or maybe President Charles Debbas was a good person or a bad one. Being ROUM ORTHODOX, I might think Charles Debbas 3admo 2azra2... while Chemali might think he was the greatest President we ever had :) Yet, we both belong to FPM and believe in it as the best party for Lebanon. Do FPMers have to agree on everything in life? Do we all have to agree on who's better looking, a blonde or a brunette?
Chou khass Charles Debbas bel FPM? Nothing. Just like Bachir, ma khasso bel FPM. The only difference that makes us discuss Bachir in relation to FPM today is that his disappearance from the political scene is more recent and there is still a party (or parties) that carry the name of the movements he headed... while Charles Debbas left no legacy or, if he did, we already forgot about it.
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so if it all turns around and iran allies with israel again
and arabs goes back to the old times and we get a new 3abd el naser lol
will you ally your self with Israel?
We Lebanese are so good with simple stereotyping clichés such as "ally yourself with Israel". It's like saying "those bad people who carry a knife"... maybe there is someone carrying a knife to untie a slave with it... is he bad too? The knife in itself is neither bad or good... it's you who are good or bad, depending on what you do with the knife.
Do you think a cliché such as "allying with Israel" ought to put me on the defensive?
I have no problem allying with Israel... maybe to save the Mediterranean from the filth and poison that is being dumped into it. However, I have a lot more than a problem allying with Israel to bombard the homes of my fellow citizens and massacre them.
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of course i know that...
but i have heard many FPM official talking highly about bachir gmayel
Pierre raffoul also said that general aoun and bachir were very close and both of them agreed on many stuff
and general aoun him self on his last interview on TL he said many positive things about bachir :)
FPM is not a product of only what its officials or even General Aoun says... I, you and many others helped make, influence and build FPM into what it is... if General Aoun thinks positively of Bachir, I happen to think negatively of him. Yet, again, it's irrelevant and General Aoun and I both belong to and work for a school of thought called FPM which is unrelated to Bachir.
Let Charles Debbas and Bachir rest wherever they may be... and let us worry about the ones still living, or yet to be born, in Lebanon.
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There are things that happen only in Lebanon. Our beloved country is known for being a place where contradictions meet. It is a place where you no longer ask questions, where you waive your right of knowing why. It is a place where no argumentation is convincing enough, and no rationale reasonable enough. It is a place where running out of logic to explain issues and situations is a perfectly Cartesian outcome.
Our beloved country is a place where rating is top notch. We rate everything that moves, including each other: adjectives, comparatives, and superlatives. We spare none. But we also rate death. We rate martyrdom. Our country is the only place where death has become a selective event according to which the deceased are rated as less important, important, more important than, and the most important of all.
We are the only country in the world in which people do not die equally, let alone live equally. As such, the late president-elect Bashir Gemayel, was one of the “unfortunate” martyrs of Lebanon, one who was never entitled to a decent treatment, one to whom the country’s successive governments never devoted a day of national mourning, or a decent national remembrance event.
To the eyes of Lebanon’s officials, the then 33-year old president is just one of the thousands martyrs who died during the war. Only the late prime minister Rafik Hariri stands out in the martyrdom arena. It is certain that the horrific assassination of the late premier with what he stood up for and his regional and international magnitude shook Lebanon just as much as Bashir Gemayel’s. In fact, February 14, the day of his horrendous assassination, has been institutionalized as an official day of mourning. There is nothing wrong with that. But what is wrong is the “preferential” treatment that the deceased have been receiving in our country. If Bashir Gemayel, Rachid Karameh and the numerous other officials who left their homes in suits and ties and came back in death bags were not “important enough” to deserve a mourning day, why should Hariri be? If Gemayel and Karameh were considered part of the 200,000 or so Lebanese war martyrs, why should Hariri be treated any differently?
Lebanon’s history did not start on February 14, 2005. It started 35 years earlier. It started 100 years, 200 years earlier. But today we commemorate the assassination of Bashir. Regardless of bloody acts that were perpetrated by the late president’s militia after the two-year war of 1975-1976, he was still Lebanon’s president-elect.
It is our duty to remember our martyrs, all of them, including Gebran, Samir, Pierre and all those who died in “peaceful” times. But it is abnormal to rate them. They all died for Lebanon, whatever their background, whatever their political belongings, whatever their religious beliefs. But it is also our duty to move forward, to quit living in the graveyard, while still keeping their memory alive. It is our duty to know that we are all equal in the eyes of death and it is about time we treated each other as such.
A final apology to Bashir, to all other politicians, journalists, ambassadors, school children, moms, dads, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, and grandparents who were blown up to pieces during and after the war: no martyr is more important to Lebanon than you are, and nobody’s blood is more sacred than yours. But our successive governments have distorted visions of both life and death; after all didn’t our previous cabinet cancel Great Friday? I guess the martyr of the Christians, the son of God, is not entitled to a proper mourning either…
Dr May Akl is the Press Secretary for General Michel Aoun, former Lebanese Army Commander & Prime Minister, current MP and leader of the Free Patriotic Movement Party and Change & Reform Bloc in Lebanese Parliament.
An Apology for every lebanese martyr but i have some thing to say about bashir who supported the ktaeab royas who ripped off my family in lebanon allah la ayriddo he is not better than who was killed from my family friends because they have money and refused to pay the kataeab ryes in dbayeh GEORGE KHOIURY
14th September 2009
