An Apology to Bashir and Lebanon’s Martyrs by M.Akl

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by Smith

A dream of what? remember my friends long before Geagea starts to kill fellow christians Bashir Gemayel was doing it in a very professional way. You tell me it was ok because it's for the sake of Lebanon? So I tell you let's stop talking about how criminal Gegea is because last year he apoligized and said that what he did was a "national duty"...The crime my friend is a crime... We love and respect Michel Aoun as a national and a christian leader because he's a warrior not a killer who sends another minor killer to exterminate the entire family of his political opponent...
Let us clean our memory let's us remember that from 1978 till 1981 bashir Gemayel was only busy killing all his christian opponents...dying the way he died doesn't make him a saint, just like Hariri will never be what his mourtaza2a claim him to be just because he died the way he died

Bachir united the christians with force, Aoun is trying with politics. I'm
a fan of Bachir's way since its the only way to unite the 1000 feudal christian tribes we have in a 10452km2.

Anyways why are you so worried about the christians he eliminated?
The PLO and their lebanese mercaneries wouldve eradicated them even if Bachir didnt.

[LubnanALkawi]

Originally Posted by Tsunami27

No, ana tayyar wwatane 7or!
half of us were ex kataebist and bachirist!

so at a certain time you were allied with Israel as a kataeb/LF/AHRAR etc.. but today you are allied against israel with iran!?

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

you cant compare Bachir's era to the current one. When someone corners you
with Saudis, Somalis, Pakistanis, Afghanis and Japanese commandos, I dont
expect you to be an angel.

The big difference now is that Israel are actually allied with the arabs now to ship us out of here.

so if it all turns around and iran allies with israel again
and arabs goes back to the old times and we get a new 3abd el naser lol
will you ally your self with Israel?

Originally Posted by >Watani<

أظنّ أنه كل يتكلمّ عن نفسه هنا، وله رأيه الخاص! ما من أحد هنا يمثل التيار الوطني الحرّ
اقتضى التوضيح

of course i know that...
but i have heard many FPM official talking highly about bachir gmayel
Pierre raffoul also said that general aoun and bachir were very close and both of them agreed on many stuff

and general aoun him self on his last interview on TL he said many positive things about bachir :)

[Smith]

There is the historical Bashir and Bashir the icon....
The history of Bashir and his icon are now in the service of Geagea and Nadim Gemayel because it's far more easy to use the image of Bashir to promote violence and war (against the shiaa per exemple) not tolerence and coexistence and understanding....just listen what will be said in his memorial day then come back and discuss what i said..

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

so at a certain time you were allied with Israel as a kataeb/LF/AHRAR etc.. but today you are allied against israel with iran!?

you're still comparing that era to this one? wake up ya ibni the whole world changed since.

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

so if it all turns around and iran allies with israel again
and arabs goes back to the old times and we get a new 3abd el naser lol
will you ally your self with Israel?

no, then we're just screwed. your argument is unrealistic in our times anyways.
We will do whatever it takes to protect ourselves. Israel is not
an option anymore, simply because Israel spits on its allies when it doesnt need them,
we saw enough of them during the mountains war

[Smith]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

Bachir united the christians with force, Aoun is trying with politics. I'm
a fan of Bachir's way since its the only way to unite the 1000 feudal christian tribes we have in a 10452km2.

Anyways why are you so worried about the christians he eliminated?
The PLO and their lebanese mercaneries wouldve eradicated them even if Bachir didnt.

my friend, Tony Frangieh and Ahrar were victorious over the PLO (ya3ni wa2ta ken 3arafet mkassar rassou bi zgharta w wein ma ken) when Bashir decided they are feudal and should be eliminated... i'm like you i like the icon of Bashir: the force the determination the patriotism etc..but let's put myth aside and discuss history for our sake and the christian's..

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by Smith

There is the historical Bashir and Bashir the icon....
The history of Bashir and his icon are now in the service of Geagea and Nadim Gemayel because it's far more easy to use the image of Bashir to promote violence and war (against the shiaa per exemple) not tolerence and coexistence and understanding....just listen what will be said in his memorial day then come back and discuss what i said..

dear, the vast majority of Bachir's comrades support Aoun now, please dont

mix them with some Bcherranis who came from the north for their intifadas and power,

while their area was the safest area under the Syrian occupation.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

while their area was the safest area under the Syrian occupation.

what happened to PLO eradicating Christians?

[LubnanALkawi]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

you're still comparing that era to this one? wake up ya ibni the whole world changed since.



no, then we're just screwed. your argument is unrealistic in our times anyways.
We will do whatever it takes to protect ourselves. Israel is not
an option anymore, simply because Israel spits on its allies when it doesnt need them,
we saw enough of them during the mountains war

im not comparing im just wondering how fun this country is lool

the sunnist were against the American and allied them self with plo/egypt and so on
and the marounites were with the american policy allied with israel and so on

and today you see the sunnist all the way with the american
and marounites want muqawama from the south at any price! loool

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by Smith

my friend, Tony Frangieh and Ahrar were victorious over the PLO (ya3ni wa2ta ken 3arafet mkassar rassou bi zgharta w wein ma ken) when Bashir decided they are feudal and should be eliminated... i'm like you i like the icon of Bashir: the force the determination the patriotism etc..but let's put myth aside and discuss history for our sake and the christian's..

my friend, Ive always reiterated here that christians are corrupt and stupid and will always be. its a fact that 2,3 and 4 militias cant coexist in one area. Look at what happened between the army and the geageaists. Every freakin feudal with 20 supporters wanted to form a militia back then to gain some power. What Bachir did was targeted against Chamaoun and his dad, those two who got paid to establish tal el za3tar and other camps for the palestenians. Why
do you think he stepped away from Kataeb and formed a new party?

[LubnanALkawi]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

dear, the vast majority of Bachir's comrades support Aoun now, please dont

mix them with some Bcherranis who came from the north for their intifadas and power,

while their area was the safest area under the Syrian occupation.

it is well known that bachir ordered ja3ja3 to kill tony!