Another Ziad Baroud great move

[Abou Sandal]

A good step,yet only cosmetic.Enough BS,we need the real change.

[The Jade]

AS,
at least he went further than any other minister before in the history of Lebanon.

It's a huge step.

Yes, maybe not the whole change we've been waiting for, but it's something.

[Shuyu3i]

It is a great move. We need religion to stay out of politics.

[syrian]

but then many things need to be changed too:

1- introduction of civil marriage (under what law would 2 people with no religion marry??)
2- change the whole sectarian political system into a secular one, OR at least giving the "non-religious" a place in that system
3- what if the "non-religious" become a majority in Lebanon? would they be given the right to monopolize a major position (like presidency)??
4- change the statementنقسم بالله العظيم مسلمين ومسيحيين to نقسم بالله العظيم مسلمين ومسيحيين و لادينيين

[Shuyu3i]

Originally Posted by syrian

but then many things need to be changed too:

1- introduction of civil marriage (under what law would 2 people with no religion marry??)
2- change the whole sectarian political system into a secular one, OR at least giving the "non-religious" a place in that system
3- what if the "non-religious" become a majority in Lebanon? would they be given the right to monopolize a major position (like presidency)??
4- change the statementنقسم بالله العظيم مسلمين ومسيحيين to نقسم بالله العظيم مسلمين ومسيحيين و لادينيين

The BEST person will become president. The people will choose whom they want. Christian , Muslims, Atheist, Buddhist doesnt matter. This corrupt regime must end.

[superduper703]

Originally Posted by taifoon

It practically means that, in a future lebanese Apocalypse and in case your name is not Tony, Hussein or Omar and is caught at a hajez, sectarian butchers will have an algebra task to figure out if they will slit your throat on spot, give you some extra 10 minutes before they figure out your faith, or release you. Make sure you don't wear any revealing religious items and I think you're going to be safe, 9 out of 10 times.. Good odds.

I'm covered then. I can recite some sourat from the Koran and do the sign of the Christ. I can also say Bandora and Banadoura, whichever is required.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by The Jade

AS,
at least he went further than any other minister before in the history of Lebanon.

It's a huge step.

Yes, maybe not the whole change we've been waiting for, but it's something.

No he didn't go "further than any other minister before in the history of Lebanon".Not at all.

The bigger step was already made earlier when a law was passed, to issue the new identity cards without any mention of the religion or sect you belong too.

This new step is only something subsidiary to that same previous spirit...It is good though...It "looks" good actually...But it is still cosmetic.

The real problem is not here at all.

And it's about time that we start tackling the real issues,and not just polish the surface.

[jalbout]

great move by ziad baroud,
as always this guy is promising. hope he stays interior minister after the elections whoever wins...

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

No he didn't go "further than any other minister before in the history of Lebanon".Not at all.

The bigger step was already made earlier when a law was passed, to issue the new identity cards without any mention of the religion or sect you belong too.

This new step is only something subsidiary to that same previous spirit...It is good though...It "looks" good actually...But it is still cosmetic.

The real problem is not here at all.

And it's about time that we start tackling the real issues,and not just polish the surface.

He actually did, the law you're talking about may have removed the religious affiliation from the identity card, but you still needed the "ikhraj kayd" to have this card.

And guess what ?

The "ikhraj kayd" DOES mention the religious affiliation.
It actually obliges you to have it there.

The new law passed gives you the option not to have this affiliation in the country's record.

So, yes he did go further than any other minister in the history of Lebanon ;)

[SamerTayyar]

its a great step indeed. I know many lebanese atheists who

always considered that as in insult to their beliefs. Imposing

a religion on anyone is against human rights. Great step ya minister

baroud you are a true Lebanese... I hope i can change my religion

from maronite to Lebanese on the ikhraj keid orelse I will settle with /