Another Ziad Baroud great move

[The Jade]

صدر وزير الداخلية والبلديات المحامي زياد بارود تعميما يتعلق بالقيد الطائفي في سجلات النفوس وجواز عدم التصريح عنه وشطبه، جاء فيه:

"عطفا على إحالتنا الى المديرية العامة للأحوال الشخصية المؤرخة في 21-10-2008 والرامية الى تنفيذ طلبات شطب المذهب في السجل وفقا لما ورد في الرأي الصادر عن هيئة التشريع والاستشارات رقم 276/2007 تاريخ 5/7/2007 واستكمالا لتلك الاحالة، وحيث انه يقتضي التأكيد على حق كل مواطن في عدم التصريح عن القيد الطائفي في سجلات الأحوال الشخصية أو شطب هذا القيد، باعتبار ان ذلك الحق مستمد من أحكام الدستور ومن الاعلان العالمي لحقوق الانسان ومن سائر الاتفاقيات الدولية التي انضم إليها لبنان، وحيث ان الدستور اللبناني قد كرس، في المادة التاسعة منه، حرية الاعتقاد وجعلها، من بين مختلف الحريات التي كفلها الدستور، الوحيدة التي لها طابع الإطلاق،

وحيث ان الفقرة "ب" من مقدمة الدستور التي أضيفت اليه بموجب التعديل الدستوري عام 1990 قد نصت على التزام لبنان ومواثيق الأمم المتحدة والاعلان العالمي لحقوق الانسان، وحيث ان المجلس الدستوري في معرض بحثه في مراجعة إبطال، قرر أن لمقدمة الدستور القيمة ذاتها التي لسائر مواد الدستور (القرار رقم 99/2 تاريخ 24/11/1999)، وحيث ان الاعلان العالمي لحقوق الانسان قد نص على أنه "لكل شخص الحق في حرية التفكير والضمير والدين، ويشمل هذا الحق تغيير ديانته أو عقيدته (...)،

وحيث أنه يستفاد مما تقدم أن حرية الاعتقاد المكفولة دستوريا تنطوي على حق الانتماء أو عدم الانتماء الى طائفة ما، وكذلك حق التصريح أو عدم التصريح عن هذا الانتماء في قيود الأحوال الشخصية وشطبه وتعديله. لذلك، يقتضي التأكيد على إحالتنا الى المديرية العامة للأحوال الشخصية تاريخ 21/10/2008 ولا سيما لجهة:

1 - قبول عدم تصريح صاحب العلاقة عن القيد الطائفي وقبول طلبات شطب القيد الطائفي من سجلات النفوس، كما ترد الى رؤساء النفوس دونما حاجة لأي إجراء اضافي.
2 - وفي حال عدم التصريح عن القيد أو طلب شطبه، تدوين إشارة "/" في الخانة المخصصة للمذهب في قيود الأحوال الشخصية العائدة لصاحب العلاقة".

nna

[superduper703]

Great move. However, what are the consequences for the Lebanese in regards to:
1. The assigned executive positions for the different confessions (Maronite president, Sunni PM, etc.)?
2. Elections (how would one know whether a certain candidate is representing Maronites, Catholics, etc.)?

I'm confused about what this actually means.

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by superduper703

Great move. However, what are the consequences for the Lebanese in regards to:
1. The assigned executive positions for the different confessions (Maronite president, Sunni PM, etc.)?
2. Elections (how would one know whether a certain candidate is representing Maronites, Catholics, etc.)?

I'm confused about what this actually means.

The move is a first step towards abolishing sectarianism.

Now you can decide whether or not u have to add your religious affiliation in the country's records.

But I believe if enough people start abolishing this from their records, the state will be pushed to do something about it, since the numbers will be confused.

It may seem like a small step for now, but on the long run it could have a great impact.

PS: The big positions (maronite president, sunni PM and shiite speaker) are only an oral agreement, but it isn't in the constitution.
Selim el Hoss is a shiite on paper, but he was PM. (he changed to shiite to be able to leave his heritage to his only daugher)

[Shuyu3i]

Great Move!! I see he and Gebran Bassil as the only ministers that are actually working in this bloody goverment. Well done. We have wanted a person like this for a long time. Hopefully in the future this kind of man will become president.

[hannaalsayssa]

this is a bit cofusing
bass good luck

[syrian]

ya3ni now a lebanese can declare himself as being atheist by law?? or at least that he doesnt belong to any religion??

am i getting this right?

btw thanx jade, coz i just read that news something else and was gonna make a thread about it here...

[J.Hanna]

Originally Posted by syrian

ya3ni now a lebanese can declare himself as being atheist by law?? or at least that he doesnt belong to any religion??

am i getting this right?

btw thanx jade, coz i just read that news something else and was gonna make a thread about it here...

this is a great day for athiests

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by syrian

ya3ni now a lebanese can declare himself as being atheist by law?? or at least that he doesnt belong to any religion??

am i getting this right?

btw thanx jade, coz i just read that news something else and was gonna make a thread about it here...

Not atheist practically, but that u don't belong to any religion.
Or you don't need to say to what religion you belong.

[taifoon]

Originally Posted by superduper703

Great move. However, what are the consequences for the Lebanese in regards to:
1. The assigned executive positions for the different confessions (Maronite president, Sunni PM, etc.)?
2. Elections (how would one know whether a certain candidate is representing Maronites, Catholics, etc.)?

I'm confused about what this actually means.

It practically means that, in a future lebanese Apocalypse and in case your name is not Tony, Hussein or Omar and is caught at a hajez, sectarian butchers will have an algebra task to figure out if they will slit your throat on spot, give you some extra 10 minutes before they figure out your faith, or release you. Make sure you don't wear any revealing religious items and I think you're going to be safe, 9 out of 10 times.. Good odds.

[hannaalsayssa]

PS: The big positions (maronite president, sunni PM and shiite speaker) are only an oral agreement, but it isn't in the constitution

i think the doustour mentions something about that
and about the fi2at owlla
and also te3seem the mp seats 50-50
same for ministerial posts.

he should have done that with putting in motion THE MAJLESS AL SHOUYOUKHH too.
tomorrow we will have a non sect registered person running for the christian seats in chouf, akkar,tripoli , etc.... and winning.
or in fi2a owlla a HUGE CONFUSION
and as usual we will be short changed.