Another quadruple alliance??!!

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Joumana Gebara

Jumblatt cannot dictate anything, neither on the Christian community nor on the Muslim one. Jumblatt is only proposing a Muslim unity, this is only to the favor of Lebanon. Do you really think Shiite/Sunnite differences toward Israel/Palestine or toward Lebanon will be setteled? And who told you Druz consider themselves Muslim? And so many other questions...

I do respect your approach which is comprehendable.. but I have no fear from Jumblatt... I see so many advantages in a Sunni/Shiite approach and this affecting positively the Christians. If Sunni and Shia unite this means Palestinians will not be naturalized, this means no wars in Lebanon and no further immigration of Lebanese and a better economic situation.
How are Christians marginalized in this case? I can't see a Christian marginalization except if they marginalize themselves because of their limited vision. I have no doubt this can evolve in a better condition for Christians and all of Lebanon. I can see a stop to foreign interference which is only to the favor of FPM's Christians (while LF and Kataeb will have funding and support cuts as they live on foreign support).

As mentioned, I understand you but hope you can see the other side of the coin.

i am speechless.......essa wello statement taba3 jeness al 3atel ma jaff.

[Joumana Gebara]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

One thing is sure:The so-called "Christian loyalists" are thrilled with the latest Jumbi proposition,and nothing would make them more happy than that.

Reason:Because he sidelined FPM from it, and this is all that matters.

Obviously you are neither living in Lebanon nor in the Lebanese especially Christian street reality.. for humbug reflects your own imagination because as a matter of fact

التبيزق ماشي على جمبلاط من قبل مسيحيي ١٤

while FPMers are more relaxed and view their alliance with Hizbullah tighter than ever that Jumblatt can never manage passing any plan excluding Aoun.

False rumors do not make comments more credible.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal
One thing is sure:The so-called "Christian loyalists" are thrilled with the latest Jumbi proposition,and nothing would make them more happy than that.

Reason:Because he sidelined FPM from it, and this is all that matters

AS

to confirm what you said
when i contacted some of my ga3ga3ists friends to tell them ( hopelessly) see what m3alemoun wello said.

they all agreed it was a good move wa 2alou lazem ye7ou ma3 HA ta yseer lebnani LOL.

and when i asked why FPM was attacked when the MOU, their response was

ma HA houwe le 3emel wa ba3ad FPM 3an lebnan wa wa wa.....

moush bass panda bass s3adeyn.
all they care is how to bring down GENERAL wa later on FPM and than finish HA and the shia.

you should have heard what dr ghattas said today about regretting running in the election and that it was a big mistake wa wa wa wa..it seems lazemlou shwayet $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
just imagine 7al 7akeer they wanted him to be president .

[needfortruth]

Originally Posted by Joumana Gebara

التبيزق ماشي على جمبلاط من قبل مسيحيي ١٤

What good does that do now? What does that say about the 14ner Christians?

Didn't the Christian lose everything and suffer significantly because of their retarded politicking? They did the same thing in 1990, did it again in 2005, again in 2009. They are terminally retarded when it comes to politics and must be counted among the enemies of the Christians and be dealt with in this manner. They must be neutralized and taken out of the equation somehow. No more political retards among our leadership. Now whether that is feasible or not is another question.

[Joumana Gebara]

Originally Posted by needfortruth

What good does that do now? What does that say about the 14ner Christians?

Didn't the Christian lose everything and suffer significantly because of their retarded politicking? They did the same thing in 1990, did it again in 2005, again in 2009. They are terminally retarded when it comes to politics and must be counted among the enemies of the Christians and be dealt with in this manner. They must be neutralized and taken out of the equation somehow. No more political retards among our leadership. Now whether that is feasible or not is another question.

Thank you for agreeing with me that the whole issue is in favor of FPM in all aspects. Why condemn Jumblatt's approach then? It shows a weak political attitude only.

[Tsunami67]

Jumblatt is a machiavelic politician.
His ultimate Goal is set.
And he's doing all he can to succeed...
The direct threat for his community as he sees it is the Shia community in the southern suburb.
Since May 7 he realized that he is not able to defeat hezbollah...
He was anyways counting on the sunnis to do that, and he said it clearly in this famous video about the Jins 3atil.
He started his machiavelic plan after the may 7 incidents...
he started to sideline with Berri and Hezbollah, maintaining very good relations with Saad Harriri, and trying to differentiate himself from the 14th christians.
He did all that and still took all the anti Hezbollah christians in his and Harriris lists, still he didnt ally with Aoun because Aoun is not Anti Hezbollah..
He wanted to strengthen the anti Hezbollah partys among christians.
His ultimate goal is to fight Hezbollah with the christians and to watch them finish each others while pretending he's with hizbollah and that christians are their ennemy and use the Chiites as his father used the palestinians in his wars against the maronites.
Please wake up b4 it's tooo late...

[Tsunami67]

Just remember what GMA warned about in the celebration of the Change & Reform victory in Kesrwan about the Christians - Chiaa conflict....

[Chaos]

Originally Posted by Joumana Gebara

Thank you for agreeing with me that the whole issue is in favor of FPM in all aspects. Why condemn Jumblatt's approach then? It shows a weak political attitude only.

I don't understand you, you want us to agree and support a project to isolate and probably prosecute christians just because this project is beneficial to FPM?
Strange........very strange.

[Joumana Gebara]

Originally Posted by Tsunami67

Jumblatt is a machiavelic politician.
His ultimate Goal is set.
And he's doing all he can to succeed...
The direct threat for his community as he sees it is the Shia community in the southern suburb.
Since May 7 he realized that he is not able to defeat hezbollah...
He was anyways counting on the sunnis to do that, and he said it clearly in this famous video about the Jins 3atil.
He started his machiavelic plan after the may 7 incidents...
he started to sideline with Berri and Hezbollah, maintaining very good relations with Saad Harriri, and trying to differentiate himself from the 14th christians.
He did all that and still took all the anti Hezbollah christians in his and Harriris lists, still he didnt ally with Aoun because Aoun is not Anti Hezbollah..
He wanted to strengthen the anti Hezbollah partys among christians.
His ultimate goal is to fight Hezbollah with the christians and to watch them finish each others while pretending he's with hizbollah and that christians are their ennemy and use the Chiites as his father used the palestinians in his wars against the maronites.
Please wake up b4 it's tooo late...

You could be right, but how did Jumblatt strengthen the Christians of 14 when he permanently tried to undermine them morally (jins atel) and physically (choice of deputies in the elections)?
My second question, is how can Hizbollah be fought by the Christians as long as FPM is allied with Hizbullah?

Something does not fit in the whole puzzle.

I rather think that Jumblatt as you mentioned has a fear from Shia and that is the only rational reason for his behavior, but since when is Jumblatt rational? He was always the one driving everyone against each other on the political scene. That's why I would rather just react positively instead of playing Jumblatt's game. I am not saying Jumblatt has definitely a good aim, I am only saying FPM should not be reacting publicly negatively about a "Muslim unity" whoever calls for it.

[Tsunami67]

He took Edwan, Chammoun, Haber, in his lists... Harriri Spent half of his fortune in the christian areas trying to weaken GMA,
He is counting on the Anti Hezboollah Feelings to Strengthen among Christians in the Coming Years....