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The christians of feb14 if they had any dignity LEFT they should get out and join the opposition.
Two wrongs don't make a right. I may not agree with March 14 lately but that does not mean I'm going to join March 8. Or to put it in symbolic terms, I'm against Wahabism but I'm also against Wilyat al-Faqih. :D That's where Sami Gemayel comes in and that's why this man is going to sweep the Christian street one day.
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The closest thing you can get to an alliance in lebanese politics between two or more sectarian political parties is a strategic understanding on certain points.

The alliance gets clearer when it is within the same confession.

As is clear between (FM, Mikati & Safadi ) 0r (Hizbullah & Amal) or the (LF & Kataeb) or the (change and reform block) etc

the reason I state "former allies" is because the strategic points agreed upon between Jumblat and "LF , Kataeb & others" have been surpassed by Jumblat, thus making the alliance null and void.

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I have a question for you

Just because Jumblat is vocal about his intentions and others like Hizbullah and Amal aren't, does that mean the alliance between FPM, HA & Amal has not been affected by the return of the quadripartite? Are the opposition insisting on GMA's demands or are they going to bow ?
The day HA byetla3 men FPM and go solo with the sunni/druze wahhabi axis

is the final countdown for HA and shia in general in lebanon.
FPM needs the allaince with HA no doubt about that because it gives the christians national depth and a reliable strong partner.
at the same time HA need a strong christian partner that can block the sunni from having the 2/3 majority to hang it.

it is a win win situation.
but since the christians serna met3awdeen 3al 2atel wal khesarat LOL
HA can not afford any single loss or setback.

our jeness al 3atel can easily live by the dictum ( li byakhoud oumme b3ayetlou 3amme).
let us be frank in here, throughout the middle east.
the sunnis might tolerate the existence of a weak christian or druze communbity, BUT NEVER A SHIA ONE.
especially after what has happened in iraq and the iranian flexing their muscles.

at the end wello is trying to save his small community who is stuck in a small area the bitter cup of tehjeer.

but wello rest assured, at the first salvo of sunni/shia ethnic warfare you are toast. []
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The christians of feb14 if they had any dignity LEFT they should get out and join the opposition.
nice quote coming form a shuyu3i :P

shuyu3i my friend, this is not a question of honor, dignity or any metaphysical moral value, it is a matter of politics that is still axed on existentialism in the tribal sense.

i would not accept them in the opposition, although i know many would love to see some sort of "christian unity" or whatever such a sham might be called.

truth is, as time is proving, michel aoun read the facts of politics four years ahead of, arguably, anybody. and the strategic repositioning of the entire region is at hand, a new status quo is settling similar to taef, in form slightly different in content.

the last 4 years have been an aberration, a very dynamic sequence that the history of the region needs every period to resettle itself. now the country will be heralded by syria and saudi arabia, until the resolution of the impending peace tlaks that started with the golan heights.

hariri will be caretaker of the state in an economic and administrative sense, he will be heeled by jumblat and berri, while hezbollah wll continue its resistance. the batrak and geagea/gemayel are covering up in the name of the existential needs of some long forgotten sect.

this provides syria with leverage against israel in the talks, and guarantees for saudi arabia.

only one factor has changed in the equation that was imposed in taef and that is being reimposed now, his name is Michel Aoun. he imposed himself as the guarantor that hariri will never overstep his bounds in the state and that hizbollah will never be isolated to be turned into a trump card.

for the foreseeable future this is the situation, the government that will be born will be a reflection of this

the outcome of the impending peace talks will reshuffle this whole shebang. first of the cards able to shift is walid jumblat. as he has the safeguarding of his sect as prime interest.

berri can never shift whatever we may say, berri will try to carve himself the biggest possible size of any pie being shared in any possible way but he will always be limited by hezbollah who are an electoral guillotine over his neck.

the government will be formed either in the coming 2 weeks or the coming three months, it will be constituted of a blocking third in either clear or veiled form. don't expect sleiman's share to be more than 3/4 ministers. the 4th being a hidden gift. FPM will be internal guarantor of the regional stability, the 5th sector of the government.

what comes after the peace talks is different, and we need a couple of months of reflection to start to be able to understand it. now let us live a bit comfortably and work on the consolidation of our party, rather on making it a credible structured party.

we will have a year or so of relative stability.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. I may not agree with March 14 lately but that does not mean I'm going to join March 8. Or to put it in symbolic terms, I'm against Wahabism but I'm also against Wilyat al-Faqih. :D That's where Sami Gemayel comes in and that's why this man is going to sweep the Christian street one day.
Ya 7aram 3alek chou bahlé... they put in your head that HA will bring "Wyliat el Fakih" if the "Hezbollah-FPM" wins... but now since we have the "FM-PSP-HA-BERRI" axis in power... we will have a good and free Lebanon.

Poor naive... they put in your head that Aoun will bring the tchador in Lebanon if he wins... so you DID ALL WHAT YOU CAN TO DESTROY FPM -- YOU BETRAYED THE CHRISTIAN BUNCH OF TRAITORS --

The LF and Kataeb and the rest of the stupid M14 CHristian BEAR FULL RESPONSABILITY FOT WHAT IS HAPPENNING NOW !!!!

AOun could have been the leader of 60 MP !!!!!! but you prefered to give Asharafieh MP's to Hariri and Jumblat.

Your hate is bigger than anything. You are the responsible of everything bad in this country since the war and it is even worst now.

You are a small minority who NEVER accepted to be a minority even at the expenses of the Christian.

You are a pure TRAITOR

Moderator, please ban me.. la2eno mech ra7 2asser fyon hel mhebil...ba3don bye7ko 3an wyliat el fakih
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Samy Gemayel on Kalam El Nass is attacking Jumblat harshly unlike his father.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. I may not agree with March 14 lately but that does not mean I'm going to join March 8. Or to put it in symbolic terms, I'm against Wahabism but I'm also against Wilyat al-Faqih. :D That's where Sami Gemayel comes in and that's why this man is going to sweep the Christian street one day.
You still haven’t seen the light buddy; you’ve been exposed to too much radioactive material,
It might take you sometime before you discharge your heavy load but I wouldn’t give up too easy. Keep hope alive!
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nice quote coming form a shuyu3i :P

shuyu3i my friend, this is not a question of honor, dignity or any metaphysical moral value, it is a matter of politics that is still axed on existentialism in the tribal sense.

i would not accept them in the opposition, although i know many would love to see some sort of "christian unity" or whatever such a sham might be called.

truth is, as time is proving, michel aoun read the facts of politics four years ahead of, arguably, anybody. and the strategic repositioning of the entire region is at hand, a new status quo is settling similar to taef, in form slightly different in content.

the last 4 years have been an aberration, a very dynamic sequence that the history of the region needs every period to resettle itself. now the country will be heralded by syria and saudi arabia, until the resolution of the impending peace tlaks that started with the golan heights.

hariri will be caretaker of the state in an economic and administrative sense, he will be heeled by jumblat and berri, while hezbollah wll continue its resistance. the batrak and geagea/gemayel are covering up in the name of the existential needs of some long forgotten sect.

this provides syria with leverage against israel in the talks, and guarantees for saudi arabia.

only one factor has changed in the equation that was imposed in taef and that is being reimposed now, his name is Michel Aoun. he imposed himself as the guarantor that hariri will never overstep his bounds in the state and that hizbollah will never be isolated to be turned into a trump card.

for the foreseeable future this is the situation, the government that will be born will be a reflection of this

the outcome of the impending peace talks will reshuffle this whole shebang. first of the cards able to shift is walid jumblat. as he has the safeguarding of his sect as prime interest.

berri can never shift whatever we may say, berri will try to carve himself the biggest possible size of any pie being shared in any possible way but he will always be limited by hezbollah who are an electoral guillotine over his neck.

the government will be formed either in the coming 2 weeks or the coming three months, it will be constituted of a blocking third in either clear or veiled form. don't expect sleiman's share to be more than 3/4 ministers. the 4th being a hidden gift. FPM will be internal guarantor of the regional stability, the 5th sector of the government.

what comes after the peace talks is different, and we need a couple of months of reflection to start to be able to understand it. now let us live a bit comfortably and work on the consolidation of our party, rather on making it a credible structured party.

we will have a year or so of relative stability.
the only issue i have is that when are we going to look after our country? only lebanon? LF + Kataeb are they stupid that they don't get it? The feb14 group gave LF + Kataeb = 10 MP's less than what WJ has on his own and they still defend them? I dont know what to say. Their hate for GMA will ruin the country.
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22:21 سامي الجميل للlbc: على وليد بيك وقف الاستفزازات وعدم اعتماد سياسة تهميش المسيحيين، "ويخدنا بحلمو"
Nice comment, it will resonate well. But Jumblat isn't what really matters...
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Nice comment, it will resonate well. But Jumblat isn't what really matters...
Sure it isnt ya abo el zouz! Its about Aoun implementing the IRIL!
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Ya 7aram 3alek chou bahlé... they put in your head that HA will bring "Wyliat el Fakih" if the "Hezbollah-FPM" wins... but now since we have the "FM-PSP-HA-BERRI" axis in power... we will have a good and free Lebanon.

Poor naive... they put in your head that Aoun will bring the tchador in Lebanon if he wins... so you DID ALL WHAT YOU CAN TO DESTROY FPM -- YOU BETRAYED THE CHRISTIAN BUNCH OF TRAITORS --

The LF and Kataeb and the rest of the stupid M14 CHristian BEAR FULL RESPONSABILITY FOT WHAT IS HAPPENNING NOW !!!!

AOun could have been the leader of 60 MP !!!!!! but you prefered to give Asharafieh MP's to Hariri and Jumblat.

Your hate is bigger than anything. You are the responsible of everything bad in this country since the war and it is even worst now.

You are a small minority who NEVER accepted to be a minority even at the expenses of the Christian.

You are a pure TRAITOR

Moderator, please ban me.. la2eno mech ra7 2asser fyon hel mhebil...ba3don bye7ko 3an wyliat el fakih
I'm sorry, didn't my post clearly signal I was anti-March 14 as well? Learn to read while your banned.

AND during the war and Bachir's days, GMA was on OUR side and so were most his supporters from today, so call us responsible for the war. If not for us, the LF and LAF from back then there would be NO independent Lebanon today and sure as hell no Christians.

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You still haven’t seen the light buddy; you’ve been exposed to too much radioactive material,
It might take you sometime before you discharge your heavy load but I wouldn’t give up too easy. Keep hope alive!
Thanks for having faith in me. ncHaLLAh iM NoT dAT stOOopId lOl OMG.
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