Alliance between FPM & SSNP (Poll Added)

[Venom]

Admins or TLs
Can we have a poll for this thread and see the results in a clearer way.

Thanks

[freelebanonn]

Originally Posted by Venom

Admins or TLs
Can we have a poll for this thread and see the results in a clearer way.

Thanks

yes and without the possibility to see the names.

[>Watani<]

Originally Posted by bejin

i have a problem to vote for assaad hardane because of the killing of bachir gemayel and to vote for nader sukkar because of the killing of dany chamoun

and i will neither vote for amine gemayel party candidates nor for samir geagea party candidates

sorry but i can not call amine gemayel party, the kataeb party and i can not call samir geagea party, the lebanese forces

eno haram el chouhada

وما الفرق؟ جميعهم في الخانة الواحدة وفي المحور الواحد! لا يمكن التفريق بينهما! علينا أن ندرك أن التصويت في العام المقبل هو مصيريّ، وهذا التفكير لن يفرز المستقبل الذي يتمناه كل لبنانيّ

[GMAforGooD]

Originally Posted by freelebanonn

it will be hardan . hizib wont let go of ssnp. 2eza bi marje3youn matol3loun wen baddo yetla3loun?

Better to have someone who knows how to write!!!!!

[Tayyar Keserwen]

Originally Posted by GMAforGooD

Better to have someone who knows how to write!!!!!

I didn't get it.. Care to clarify?

Thx in advance

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by >Watani<

في العام ۲٠٠٥، أخطأ التيار الوطني الحرّ بترك مقعد شاغر في المتن الشمالي، فكانت التكلفة باهظة. ماذا عن الانتخابات القادمة؟
من المؤكد أن التيار الوطني الحرّ سوف يعمل هذه المرّة على تشكيل لوائح كاملة في جميع المناطق مع حلفائه في المعارضة. فهل يوافقون مناصري التيار الوطني الحرّ أن ينتخبوا مرشحّ من الحزب القوميّ السوريّ "كون هذا الحزب حليفهم في المعارضة" ؟
فإن عدنا إلى منطقة المتن الشمالي، لا يمكننا أن ننكر وجود الثقل السياسيّ للقوميّين! وإن تذكرنا سويا ً، في انتخابات ۲٠٠٥ المرشحّ غسان الأشقر الذي كان مرشحاً منفرداً عن المقعد الماروني، طلب من مناصريه أن ينتخبوا لائحة الإصلاح والتغيير. فما سيكون خيار المتنيّون لو تحالف التيار الوطني الحرّ مع الحزب القوميّ السوريّ؟ وماذا ستكون ردود فعل مناصرين التيار الوطني الحرّ في مختلف المناطق؟ وفيما لو حصل هذا التحالف، هل سيكون مردوده سلبيّ أم إيجابيّ على نتائج الإنتخابات ۲٠٠۹

The problem here is that we're letting electoral alliances and details get in front of the party's values and principles...

So what the SSNP have a strong base??
There is nothing that the FPM and the SSNP share except the secularism issue.

But this is not a reason to give them a seat.

The FPM and the SSNP might be together in the opposition but it's only because they share the same point of view vis à vis the majority (same with Wahhab) not because they had something in common.

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by X

I will vote for the whole opposition list without looking at the names, so SSNP as a political party (leadership) should not worry or even think about if FPMers are shy or not, in the areas that they have followers, they should work 200% to make sure all their followers participate in the elections and vote for the whole opposition list.

Now about SSNPers and FPMers being shy from each others, that's completely irrelevant here, and by the way, about the alliance, it's not about FPMers, its not about the supporters, its the decision of the leadership and if the leadership of FPM decided to ally with SSNP and any FPMer didn't vote for the SSNP on the list is actually betraying FPM. Not voting for the SSNP (in case they were on our list) means one voice went to our opponents and that one voice can switch the majority from one side to another.

Last I looked the FPM wasn't the communists during Staline nor FMers during the 2005 elections.

If you want FPMers to be sheep, so be it, but don't think for a second that we support any FPM move because the leadership says so.

We should support the FPM moves that we think are the good ones

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by X

I will vote for the whole opposition list without looking at the names, so SSNP as a political party (leadership) should not worry or even think about if FPMers are shy or not, in the areas that they have followers, they should work 200% to make sure all their followers participate in the elections and vote for the whole opposition list.

Now about SSNPers and FPMers being shy from each others, that's completely irrelevant here, and by the way, about the alliance, it's not about FPMers, its not about the supporters, its the decision of the leadership and if the leadership of FPM decided to ally with SSNP and any FPMer didn't vote for the SSNP on the list is actually betraying FPM. Not voting for the SSNP (in case they were on our list) means one voice went to our opponents and that one voice can switch the majority from one side to another.

X,

FPM leadership then should understand the nature of its support base and not put them in such an awkward postion; especially when it is not validated. the leadership has to balance out how many voices it can win versus how many it stand sto lose, from the looks of it, it doesn't require a genius to figure it out.

we may lose a certain percentage of SSNP voters if we do not form an alliance, but at the end of the day, the majority of SSNP supporters will be voting FPM with or without an alliance, because the alternative to them is very pricy.

what i cant understand, is why are you guys still contemplating the issue? even though one of the paths you are contemplating bye7ru2 el tayyar in so many kazaas.

[Neo_Con]

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

I am against a full list in Maten, for toshtib purposes... It is the riskiest caza in Lebanon, let's not gamble too much...

As for SSNP, i don't think the FPM base is ready to digest an all-out alliance yet...

That's my honest opinion...

Regards..

An alliance with the SSNP would go against the rhetoric of Christian rights that the FPM has been invoking recently. The SSNP do have people who were born Christian among their ranks but this is the same party that assassinated Bashir Gemayel, the most important Christian figure in Lebanon's history. An apology from the SSNP regarding Bashir's assassination and a condemnation of Habib Chartouni are needed before a full-fledged alliance can take place, in my opinion. All this is assuming that the FPM doesn't care about the fact that the SSNP doesn't believe in Lebanon as a country.

[Bejin]

Originally Posted by Neo_Con

An alliance with the SSNP would go against the rhetoric of Christian rights that the FPM has been invoking recently. The SSNP do have people who were born Christian among their ranks but this is the same party that assassinated Bashir Gemayel, the most important Christian figure in Lebanon's history. An apology from the SSNP regarding Bashir's assassination and a condemnation of Habib Chartouni are needed before a full-fledged alliance can take place, in my opinion. All this is assuming that the FPM doesn't care about the fact that the SSNP doesn't believe in Lebanon as a country.

Chartouni did it under orders of Assaad Hardane (actual SSNP leader) and Nabil Aalam