All Hezbollah related subjects in this thread

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by roch10452

no not yet, I always want peace, but now I am looking into lebanese matters.
what is Hezbo charter?
you know, like the base of the party, its doustour

http://forum.tayyar.org/f8/issue-hez...tml#post810196

[chafic]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

no one is denying that it came from an important figure in HA, but this doesn't render it a charter for the party. If for example today Bou fa3our makes a long speech that can be characterized as a "program", does this automatically mean it's a charter for PSP? Same for 3edwen and LF or Ghattas Khoury and FM, etc...
There is a methodology for any party to have a charter. A speech just doesn't cut it.

Point taken. But you have to keep in mind that the ways of a newly formed party of the 80s is different from that of a party in 2008.

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

The western media which mentioned HA's program all had israeli sources. Most likely, none of them even knew it was Assafir who first published it.

Actually most of them mention Assafir as the source. On a side note, having Israeli sources doesn't change much.

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

who's "everyone" and define "many". Except for a few members on this board, and some others on other boards, no one has even heard of this "manifesto". And out of those, there's also the ones who don't believe it's HA's charter.

Take everyone as any person who googled Hezbollah and was directed to wikipedia, or someone who typed "What is Hezbollah" and was directed to the BBC page or....

[joseph_lubnan]

This published document is clearly a definition given by Hezbollah around the time of its inception of what HA is, what it stands for and its goals. It is clear that HA wanted it published in Assafir newspaper to tell the Lebanese and world about the HA movement, party, resistance, and militia, to clarify and define what it stands for. Call it a manifesto a founding document a charter or a program it doesn't matter. It is all of the above and will remain until HA rejects some of it, and adopts a new one for today and the future.
It is clear that HA made these definitions of itself as a fledgling movement wanting to be noticed and understood for what it is, that a prominent Lebanese newspapers published them on their behalf, that HA never claimed that what was published is a fabrication, that HA never rejected the content of its original manifesto;the only viable conclusion is that it still stands, and Vego no matter what grey arguments you toss around to create doubt the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

You should do more researches and studies if you genuinly want to know more about HA.Try also to meet their cadres and discuss with them.They are always welcoming with wide open arms.

As for their "declared" goals,it's very easy:Read the MOU.It's all there.

As for what you alledge is their "hidden goals",well do some research as i said before,and if you prove that they have hidden goals...publish them and we'll discuss them then.

But if you don't have any proof for such allegation to begin with,then i might ask you:what is really your "hidden goal" by throwing such claims?

Abu, instead of skirting the subject and relying on the MOU crutch, comment on the HA manifesto.

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by chafic

Point taken. But you have to keep in mind that the ways of a newly formed party of the 80s is different from that of a party in 2008.

I don't see how this makes any difference. Did speeches in the eighties qualify as charters? bc as far as I know, charters were not that necessary at the time. Even today, most lebanese parties do not have charters as foundations.

Actually most of them mention Assafir as the source. On a side note, having Israeli sources doesn't change much.

Perhaps, I agree with u that whether the source was israeli newspapers or Assafir, the debate we were having still holds the same grounds.

Take everyone as any person who googled Hezbollah and was directed to wikipedia, or someone who typed "What is Hezbollah" and was directed to the BBC page or....

google search gives u israeli sources, and as far as wikipedia, it's not that much of a trustworthy source since anyone can edit the content of any article there.

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

This published document is clearly a definition given by Hezbollah around the time of its inception of what HA is, what it stands for and its goals. It is clear that HA wanted it published in Assafir newspaper to tell the Lebanese and world about the HA movement, party, resistance, and militia, to clarify and define what it stands for. Call it a manifesto a founding document a charter or a program it doesn't matter. It is all of the above and will remain until HA rejects some of it, and adopts a new one for today and the future.
It is clear that HA made these definitions of itself as a fledgling movement wanting to be noticed and understood for what it is, that a prominent Lebanese newspapers published them on their behalf, that HA never claimed that what was published is a fabrication, that HA never rejected the content of its original manifesto;the only viable conclusion is that it still stands, and Vego no matter what grey arguments you toss around to create doubt the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.

Talk about downright propaganda! Classical Joesph.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Abu, instead of skirting the subject and relying on the MOU crutch, comment on the HA manifesto.

I don't comment on anything alledged,then implicitly denied,since totally ignored.

Give me today's official HA manifesto (If any) and you'll get my comments duly.

Really not interested in discussing rumors...You'd be better off discussing them with Neswen El Forn.

[J. Abizeid]

Tribute to SHN

As a Christian, GMA is my representative and my advocate. His book is my bible.

But, as a Lebanese, how can I not respect, and be grateful to Lebanon’s resistance and its leader SHN for his wisdom, patience and courage. The man who restored Lebanon’s pride and dignity and offered its victories, again and again, on a silver platter to all Lebanese including those who crawled, South, East and West offering to sell what’s not theirs for a fist of green bucks.

Thank you SHN for your immense patience and wisdom not abusing your power.

Thank you for helping restore and protect my political rights and my right to exit- the very same rights that most Christian leaders auctioned of while my Patriarch was burying his head in the sand.

Thank you for employing your power to stabilize Lebanon and the region; no need for Mr. Bush and his midget SG to hire Syria or the Arabs to do so.

Thank you for showing the Lebanese government how to liberate our prisoners with our heads held up.

Thank you for educating the rest of the Arab world how to liberate their land, their prisoners and restore their dignity if they really wanted to.

Thank you for proving to the Lebanese people that the opposition is part of our democracy and the resistance is the spearhead of our army and must become part of it.

Thank you for showing our weasels how to make our enemies listen and respect us.

Thank you for certifying to the Lebanese people, specially the Christians among them that GMA is an honest and a visionary leader.

Thank YOU and GMA for earning the title:

Fathers of Lebanon and the pillars for its future and modern society.

Our enemies who respect nothing but power must thank you as well for helping them realize they are not invincible. They finally understood in order for them to resolve their problems, they must deal with us eye to eye, no double standard.

You taught humanity a valuable lesson:

Natural and legitimate rights are never given unless we are strong enough to take them.

NO, Lebanon’s weakness is not its strength!

Thank you SHN!

[4U2IMI8]

Originally Posted by J. Abizeid

Tribute to SHN

As a Christian, GMA is my representative and my advocate. His book is my bible.

But, as a Lebanese, how can I not respect, and be grateful to Lebanon’s resistance and its leader SHN for his wisdom, patience and courage. The man who restored Lebanon’s pride and dignity and offered its victories, again and again, on a silver platter to all Lebanese including those who crawled, South, East and West offering to sell what’s not theirs for a fist of green bucks.

Thank you SHN for your immense patience and wisdom not abusing your power.

Thank you for helping restore and protect my political rights and my right to exit- the very same rights that most Christian leaders auctioned of while my Patriarch was burying his head in the sand.

Thank you for employing your power to stabilize Lebanon and the region; no need for Mr. Bush and his midget SG to hire Syria or the Arabs to do so.

Thank you for showing the Lebanese government how to liberate our prisoners with our heads held up.

Thank you for educating the rest of the Arab world how to liberate their land, their prisoners and restore their dignity if they really wanted to.

Thank you for proving to the Lebanese people that the opposition is part of our democracy and the resistance is the spearhead of our army and must become part of it.

Thank you for showing our weasels how to make our enemies listen and respect us.

Thank you for certifying to the Lebanese people, specially the Christians among them that GMA is an honest and a visionary leader.

Thank YOU and GMA for earning the title:

Fathers of Lebanon and the pillars for its future and modern society.

Our enemies who respect nothing but power must thank you as well for helping them realize they are not invincible. They finally understood in order for them to resolve their problems, they must deal with us eye to eye, no double standard.

You taught humanity a valuable lesson:

Natural and legitimate rights are never given unless we are strong enough to take them.

NO, Lebanon’s weakness is not its strength!

Thank you SHN!

You just opened yourself to all kinds of attacks ya 3ami. Kif bta3mel heik? hay2tak souri irani inta.

[punkgirlie16]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Because that's what they are. The followers of the Talmud.

now i don't know about this, and i never heard that word, still this word strikes me as somewhat hateful bc its dragging the argument on a religious level. and if there is a religious dimension to it then it is really dangerous, i know that there are quite a lot of very different hopes or fears relating to the so-called endtimes connected with the idea of jewish presence in palestine.

in a word, i am deeply suspicious of your motivation for fighting israel, and some of your comments make me think you see it as a fight good vs evil rather than a political fight.