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[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Vego, it is HA that published this charter in Assafir upon its inception in 1985.

elaborate plz. how did HA publish it?

What are you talking about? Again, If HA wants to distance itself from this charter as you are suggesting, then it must comment on it, reject some of it and then move forward with a new charter.

if HA has never used this document as reference, how can u claim they adopted this charter? if it's their current charter, why hasn't any HA official mentioned it?

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

elaborate plz. how did HA publish it?

if HA has never used this document as reference, how can u claim they adopted this charter? if it's their current charter, why hasn't any HA official mentioned it?

Vego, with all due respect I think your line of arguments has become ridiculous.

1. Are you suggesting assafir lied about it in 1985?

2. Let me repeat this again. HA published its charter in the newspaper in 1985. It doesn't get clearer than that.

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Vego, with all due respect I think your line of arguments has become ridiculous.

1. Are you suggesting assafir lied about it in 1985?

2. Let me repeat this again. HA published its charter in the newspaper in 1985. It doesn't get clearer than that.

Ur line of arguments is the one which is messed up here. U're claiming this charter is adopted by HA, yet not a single HA official ever used it as reference, no HA related site is publishing it, most HA partisans have never even heard of it.

As for the article in Assafir, a speech spoken by Ibrahim el Amine was published. How does this automatically mean it's HA's official charter?
I also still urge u to explain how HA published it in Assafir. did HA own Assafir? did it force Assafir to publish it? or was it an Assafir journalist copying a "program" uttered by a prominent figure in HA in 1985?

[chafic]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

Ur line of arguments is the one which is messed up here. U're claiming this charter is adopted by HA, yet not a single HA official ever used it as reference, no HA related site is publishing it, most HA partisans have never even heard of it.

As for the article in Assafir, a speech spoken by Ibrahim el Amine was published. How does this automatically mean it's HA's official charter?
I also still urge u to explain how HA published it in Assafir? did HA own Assafir? did it force Assafir to publish it? or was it an Assafir journalist copying a "program" uttered by a prominent figure in HA 2005?

To save itself the hassle, Hezbollah could have simply issued a clarification about its non adoption of the mentioned charter as its own, in the past or in present. The latter would be even sufficient.
Actually, many sources (including BBC, Wikipedia...) consider Hezbollah's manifesto to be the one that Joseph posted earlier; Among the hundreds of clarifications and communiques Hezbollah issues a week, this point (quite important) could have been clarified. Whether they'd be lying about it or not (for what concerns the past), at least they could dissociate themselves for the future from that manifesto (if they wished to do so).

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by chafic

To save itself the hassle, Hezbollah could have simply issued a clarification about its non adoption of the mentioned charter as its own, in the past or in present. The latter would be even sufficient.

why should HA negate something it has never adopted? if it had adopted it, then forsaken it, u have a point, but it's not the case.

Actually, many sources (including BBC, Wikipedia...) consider Hezbollah's manifesto to be the one that Joseph posted earlier;

and all of them have the same source: the Jerusalem Quarterly.

Among the hundreds of clarifications and communiques Hezbollah issues a week, this point (quite important) could have been clarified. Whether they'd be lying about it or not (for what concerns the past), at least they could dissociate themselves for the future from that manifesto (if they wished to do so).

why is it important to mention? I think it's fairly simple: if u haven't mentioned this charter for 23 years, it's pretty clear it's not adopted by u.

[J. Abizeid]

Originally Posted by sailormoon

In other therms , never. It s obvious that HA will always judge the army not strong enough , and thus a never ending circle. Another thing which shows us that the MOU doesn t bring any clear solution or response to our current issues. It s just a pact where GMA accepts his dhimmitude and "protection".

You need to fast forward in time and listen to SHN speech today if you’re really looking for answers.
One simple question to those who accused HA of serving Iran’s and Israel’s interests:
How does the release of every Lebanese from Israel serve the Iranian’s and Syrian’s interests? And if it really does, as long as it’s in the best interest of Lebanon and the Lebanese, what’s the problem with that?
It’s so shameful for some of us not accepting the fact that HA arms are not the issue or the problem but the solution and the only power available on the ground that is stabilizing the country and possibly the region.
Remember when Bush used to say Syria is vital for Lebanon’s stability and the region?
Bush’s puppets today seem to having problems with Lebanon having its own Lebanese stabilization factor.
And yes, it will be a very long time before the Lebanese government can protect its own citizens; I doubt it will ever do as long as it has criminals and traitors on foreign payroll inside of it. Lebanon must no longer tolerate traitors. They must be exposed, tried and sentenced. We know who they all are. It’s about time to educate all Lebanese about patriotism and lift them above religious charades and hypocrisy.
They better get used to the idea that HA is Lebanese and is here to stay. Its own enemies accepted it!
It’s about time to tell them:
Love it or leave it!

[roch10452]

what is then today's Hezbo charter?

[Nayla]

Originally Posted by sailormoon

In other therms , never.

You are admitting then that the Lebanese Army can't protect Lebanon because it's not well armed. So, you are confessing that we need who protects us and who keeps the zionists afraid.

[mount_amel]

Originally Posted by roch10452

are you always this bad in reading english?
how did you misread me into seeing that I wish the death of lebanese?!?!?!?!

I did analyze your post and it seems that you wished death to lebanese people since you have openly wished israel would bomb the roads to the mountain and leave the southerners in thier homes under bombs.

Give me one incident that makes hizbollah a terrorist ?

If you see HA as a terrorist group then what about Kata2eb and LF .. Aalso PSP as they are all by definition terrorist groups since many civilians were killed in the name of these parties and not any civilians but lebanese civilians and never pointed thier weapons to non-lebanese except for Kata2eb between the years 1975 and 1981 when they were fighting the PLO and Syrians.

[Zouxi]

Originally Posted by Nayla H

You are admitting then that the Lebanese Army can't protect Lebanon because it's not well armed. So, you are confessing that we need who protects us and who keeps the zionists afraid.

i fully agree, and the resistance is doing the job perfectly.