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[LEBNEN AWALAN]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

It seems that Hezbollah and regional sponsors have provided us in recent months with clear evidence that what some Lebanese believe, is in fact the truth. I do not think FPMers should ignore these facts, because it erodes their credibility.

The issue of Hezbollah's arms should become AGAIN, a matter of principle, for FPM and FPMers.

Reading and understanding the MOU Must become again a matter of principle

[tae]

Originally Posted by roch10452

1- it doesnt apply to the halba event, as its not an organized act, it wasnt commited by an organization, but by a mob of rioters. terrorisme is a planned act.

It was done by the FM .. all of the Halba scene heroes were FM.
If Halba massacre is not terror then what do you call it? Cultural debate? Have you ever seen something as much unhuman as that?

Originally Posted by roch10452

2- it applies to SG and Jumblat acts during the war, not everything, but to the massacres in the mountains from both sides. unfortunatly in that event, it goes beyond terrorisme to an attempt of commiting genocide.
some kataeb acts can be described as terrorist, but its hard to identify them during a civil war, since both sides are messing up, it isnt called terrorisme anymore, everyone is allready using terror... its war.

It's not that hard to identify these things, you know everything is documented, the black saturday massacre for example, add to it Antoine Zahra's achievements on the Barbara checkpoint, where he sloughered .. in person .. civilians, just because they were from a different religion.
Add to it for example Wael Bou Faour .. he was known to be specialized in beheading "christian children" .. specifically christian children, he was well known to have this kind of "fetishism". These people are preparing themselves to join the "Lebanese" government.

Originally Posted by roch10452

3- isreal acts in palestine are terrorist, in lebanon during the 1982 invasion too. the EXTREME ROUGH bombing of lebanon is a terrorsit act. here I have to say that according to the conventions of war, its legal for isreal to shoot civilian buildings if military action is taking place in them, but the conventions all say that the response must be as soft as possible, isreal didnt follow that rule and responded very roughly. On this matter I blame both Isreal and Hezbo.

What about el 2anebil el 3an2oudieh that were implanted in the soil of the south .. there are several millions of them there.
What's the aim in implanting them? self defense? Isn't the aim to kill as much civilians as possible? They were made by the USA offered to Israel in order to use them in Lebanon. Correct me if I'm wrong, this kind of weapons is only designed to kill as much civilians as possible and mostly children, and this is what we are seeing everyday on TV.
It is an organized act of killing, directed selectively against children.
Does this example meet your definition of Terrorism? If yes, then Bush and Olmert should be called terrorists

Originally Posted by roch10452

4- no it doesnt apply to USA army in Iraq, you have to know that its illegal for a military personnel in the marines to shoot his weapon unless he is shot at. so no, they are not doing terrorisme in Iraq. If you are talking about the incidents in the prisons, that is not a USA policy but acts punished by the american military wars.

Do you mean to say that it's ok to torture prisonners this way? Does the UN allow that?



Please use your definition and tell me why HA are terrorists in your opinion

[tae]

Originally Posted by spiderboy

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The problem of Lebanon that we wanted to give the chance to the muslims in the 20's to be part of this land and be equal and live freely, bass rekbo aala daherna and destroyed Lebanon becoz they wanted to be a muslim country like the other Arab countries that are ruled by fear and islam

So you know now that yo made a mistake, what's your plan for the future?

Listen dude, neither you, nor thousands like you and your LF and FM fellows, will be able to change the love, respect and trust that we have for the FPM. We know how clean they are.
Try another one.

[tae]

Originally Posted by roch10452

- If Hezbo's presence should be kept secret, then why are Hezbo weapons visible to people? Go to beirut streets and you will cleary find men from Hezbo holding weapons on the streets!

I live in Beirut, and I am in the street everyday. I don't see them holding weapons in public.
Where did you get this from?

It is obvious that you live abroad, otherwise you wouldn't have said that.

[tae]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Apparently Iran now is speaking publicly and clearly about its strategic use of Lebanon's Southern borders security, as well as the militia and weapons of HA. This is unacceptable. Who of you would like to condemn Iran and its rhetoric? any patriotic volunteers?

I would like to underscore this recent Iranian development to all of those preaching here in the forum for years now about HA's weapons being controlled internally and only for defending Lebanon, and that HA is holding on to them for that purpose only, and not to invest them in regional issues at the request of its Iranian sponsor.

Yet one more myth about HA and its weapons gone with wind. Stay tuned for the next one.

I couldn't find this speech in any of the Lebanese and international media ..
Did Mohamed Ali Jaafari give this speech exclusvely to Rosana Bou Monsef?

[J. Abizeid]

Originally Posted by tae

Do you mean to say that it's ok to torture prisonners this way? Does the UN allow that?

Please use your definition and tell me why HA are terrorists in your opinion

You have to be more specific about the recipient’s identity,
According to John Bolton, you can’t compare Lebanese blood to Israeli blood. Dahhhhhhhhh.............

[Nayla]

Originally Posted by tae

So you know now that yo made a mistake, what's your plan for the future?

Listen dude, neither you, nor thousands like you and your LF and FM fellows, will be able to change the love, respect and trust that we have for the FPM. We know how clean they are.
Try another one.

hehe, treko, he feels he is smart

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

It seems that Hezbollah and regional sponsors have provided us in recent months with clear evidence that what some Lebanese believe, is in fact the truth. I do not think FPMers should ignore these facts, because it erodes their credibility.

The issue of Hezbollah's arms should become AGAIN, a matter of principle, for FPM and FPMers.

I don’t know if you’re an FPMer or not; if you are, then you don’t know what’s good for you. If you’re just independent, then you don’t know what’s good for your country.

From an independent point of view, there is no asset in HA disarming so long as the Lebanese army is impotent and incapable of protecting its borders, not to mention the army is full of pro-Harirists who act on the behalf of their radical Sheikhs and dogs in the government rather than on the behalf of the Lebanese. Add to that the army is crawling with international agents who are there to gather intelligence against our country in an effort to shatter its unity and to frustrate any resistance against our enemies, thereby ensuring our defeat. It’s no secret that the international community desires a weak & divided Lebanon so they can continue to pull the strings that benefit only them and empower Israel. As long as there is armed hostile Talmudists at our southern border in Israel salivating at the chance of HA disarming so they can continue their reign of terror, an armed Palestinian presence in our country looking to overthrow our gov’t and declaring a free state within our borders, butchers such as Geagea & Jumblatt heading political parties and freely roaming our streets untouched, corrupt foreign slaves taking orders from abroad such as Hariri, Sanioura, Amine Gemayel etc… and Wahabi zombies threatening a Taliban type regime, then HA has every right to retain it’s arms, and I would even argue for FPM to arm themselves against LFers who are clearly receiving arms from international donors via Hariri of course.

If these are not enough reasons for you to accept an armed HA and for FPM to continue in its alliance, then you need to get your head examined. You simply cannot turn a blind eye to the hardcore reality that exists in our country; we’re not living in lalala land.

[tae]

Dear Gaius Julius Caesar,
Many people are pretending to be FPM and saying things to trigger troubles between us and FPM .. they are plenty these day as if it is an organized campaign.

Everybody here is aware of them.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Originally Posted by tae

Dear Gaius Julius Caesar,
Many people are pretending to be FPM and saying things to trigger troubles between us and FPM .. they are plenty these day as if it is an organized campaign.

Everybody here is aware of them.

I suspect he's an LFer in disguise, pretending to be concerned about the well-being of his country, when in fact he's only interested in starting a fire. If he truly values his country, then I'd like to see him address the points I raised in my previous post, and what his solutions to these problems are.