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[LEBANESE FRONT 75]

Originally Posted by coralie

to Tanios and joseph lubnan tell me what were your feelings when :
-you saw Zaki side by side with geagea kissing and hugging so friendly and so kindly? as if they were the best friends ever ..... when geagea during nahr al bared war ta7afna and said nehna wel falastiniyeh bi khanda2 wahad . (weird why then we lost 100 000 martyres in a war against the palestiniens if we are in the same khanda2?)
- what were your feelings when you saw gemayel amine kissing hugging Zaki as if he is the source of life ... what did you feel when gemayel proudly said on tv standing like a lion next to Zaki : the palestinians were the victimes of the Lebanese "civil" war !!!! yeah and our 100 000 martyres fighting under your banner your flag and your adiyeh were what ? disspensable extra lebanese lives ? ...

knowing those 2 worms and what sort of disaster both caused to our country kermel "el adiyeh" and knowing that the same reasons are more then ever indangering the existence of Lebanon as a whole and the christians specialement i dont understand how the 2 "most important popular christian" leaders who fought for the adiyeh w AMN al moujtama3 al massihi fawka koul i3tibar (tarik al kods tamor bi jouniyeh) today are willing to focus on HA weapons and shake hands kissing and hugging with palestinians armed "guests" forces inside Lebanese territories as a dawleh inside our "national" dawleh while they raised hell before telling ppl we should fight they want to take Lebanon as a new nation we should fight them LOL... funny huh ? !
think about it either your leaders lied to us back them and took us to a fake stupid 15 year "civil"war against palestinians we payed thousands of martyres , displaces , ruins and distructions for nothing ,so they should be questioned at least by you what is happening now ? are the palestinians safer and more trusworthy then HA ? walla 3ajab ya nass ajab how short some memories are or maybe how selective and amnesiac !

I thought the same thing about Gea gea and Aoun when they met and made up before the elections in 05, all those kisses to each other after so many good men gave up their lives, this is politics of today in Lebanon ALL LEBANESE SEEM TO HAVE SELECTIVE MEMORY !!!

[LEBANESE FRONT 75]

Originally Posted by needfortruth

Here is what I wrote on May 2, 2006, in a post regarding this issue:





Back in the day we thought that when the Syrians leave, the Christians will not have to fight for their rights.

Back in the day we thought that when the Syrians leave, we will have a fair electoral law without the need for begging, and that we would never have to use the 2000 election law ever again.

Back in the day we thought that when the Syrians leave, the Christians will have equal representation in the government.

Back in the day we thought that when the Syrians leave, the Chrisitan will get to elect their leadership, and those elected leadership will be able to represent them and no one would have the power to sideline them just because they can.

Back in the day we thought that when the Syrians leave, we would not be threatened of a civil war just because we elected a leadership that Jumblatt did not impose on us.

Back in the day we thought that when the Syrians leave, there will be no more risk of 'islamizing' Lebanon, cncelling our holidays, and imposing a Muslim education agenda.

Back in the day...Back in the day...

For this no one but the Christians in M14 are to blame !!

[Dalzi]

May i ask, did the idea of Islamsing Lebanon spring for the fact that the phalangists believed in a Christian Lebanon? In other words, they think that others are like them, natural, but not factual.

We're not as stupid not to understand that the country is for all. When it was for one group hell broke loose and that group was rooted out of the soil but no one was spared. You have to share to survive, so shelo hal fekra lbayza men raskon, save it.

[josein]

Originally Posted by Tanios

You are right let's give back their weapons to LF and all the others...

don't they have it already????, under different names and forms 14 shebat movement are armed so let us not fool our self here, by the way ask Mark Houweik about it.

[ElieCedar]

Originally Posted by josein

don't they have it already????, under different names and forms 14 shebat movement are armed so let us not fool our self here, by the way ask Mark Houweik about it.

Ya Haram how many times Mark Houweik have been exploited in threads after threads. M14 lost many many dear lives, politicians and innocent civilians. Yet Mark Houweik's injuries get paraded each time an FPMer is cornered in a discussion!!
Elie

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by X

I don't mean "you" in person, but you along with all the others (politicians) never talk about or mention anything about the "arms" inside the Palestinian camps.

Let's pretend Hezbollah was disarmed tomorrow, that will mean the Palestinians are the most powerful force on the ground.

The way i see it, the settlement is all set, get rid of Hezbollah's arms, blow the MOU away and Abas Zaki will be our next President and Soultan Abou el Ainen the new army commander in chief.

Joseph, you seriously believe that Hezbollah might actually commit suicide and hand it's arms when they know the Palestinians are sitting on "tersene" in the camps?

I would like to take the same principled position with the Palestinians arms as well inside and outside the camps. In fact for the Palestinian arms I would not mind that the disarmament is done by force if necessary but for some odd reasons HA has always been implicitly and sometimes explicitly against disarming the Palestinians with or without force, so it is interesting that you see the HA arms as a guarantee against the Palestinian ones! That said I do not like to say that one must be done before the other. Both have to be removed, and I dont care which one is done first. This thread was meant to discuss primarily the HA arms, that's why I didn't mention the palestinian ones.

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by coralie

to Tanios and joseph lubnan tell me what were your feelings when :
-you saw Zaki side by side with geagea kissing and hugging so friendly and so kindly? as if they were the best friends ever ..... when geagea during nahr al bared war ta7afna and said nehna wel falastiniyeh bi khanda2 wahad . (weird why then we lost 100 000 martyres in a war against the palestiniens if we are in the same khanda2?)
- what were your feelings when you saw gemayel amine kissing hugging Zaki as if he is the source of life ... what did you feel when gemayel proudly said on tv standing like a lion next to Zaki : the palestinians were the victimes of the Lebanese "civil" war !!!! yeah and our 100 000 martyres fighting under your banner your flag and your adiyeh were what ? disspensable extra lebanese lives ? ...

knowing those 2 worms and what sort of disaster both caused to our country kermel "el adiyeh" and knowing that the same reasons are more then ever indangering the existence of Lebanon as a whole and the christians specialement i dont understand how the 2 "most important popular christian" leaders who fought for the adiyeh w AMN al moujtama3 al massihi fawka koul i3tibar (tarik al kods tamor bi jouniyeh) today are willing to focus on HA weapons and shake hands kissing and hugging with palestinians armed "guests" forces inside Lebanese territories as a dawleh inside our "national" dawleh while they raised hell before telling ppl we should fight they want to take Lebanon as a new nation we should fight them LOL... funny huh ? !
think about it either your leaders lied to us back them and took us to a fake stupid 15 year "civil"war against palestinians we payed thousands of martyres , displaces , ruins and distructions for nothing ,so they should be questioned at least by you what is happening now ? are the palestinians safer and more trusworthy then HA ? walla 3ajab ya nass ajab how short some memories are or maybe how selective and amnesiac !

And your point being? Feel free to open another thread that focuses on disarming the Palestinians. I do not see that one must be linked to the other, but if you prefer to link them, then for the purpose of discussions in this thread try to assume that the palestinian weapons are disarmed first, then give us your opinion on the HA weapons. btw did the MOU make the disarmament of the Palestinians a prerequisite?

What is your opinion on the HA weapons?

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by needfortruth

Here is what I wrote on May 2, 2006, in a post regarding this issue:





Back in the day we thought that when the Syrians leave, the Christians will not have to fight for their rights.

Back in the day we thought that when the Syrians leave, we will have a fair electoral law without the need for begging, and that we would never have to use the 2000 election law ever again.

Back in the day we thought that when the Syrians leave, the Christians will have equal representation in the government.

Back in the day we thought that when the Syrians leave, the Chrisitan will get to elect their leadership, and those elected leadership will be able to represent them and no one would have the power to sideline them just because they can.

Back in the day we thought that when the Syrians leave, we would not be threatened of a civil war just because we elected a leadership that Jumblatt did not impose on us.

Back in the day we thought that when the Syrians leave, there will be no more risk of 'islamizing' Lebanon, cncelling our holidays, and imposing a Muslim education agenda.

Back in the day...Back in the day...

What does any of this have to do with the HA weapons?
Are these weapons in existence to guarantee the christian political rights internally?!?

[needfortruth]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

What does any of this have to do with the HA weapons?
Are these weapons in existence to guarantee the christian political rights internally?!?

Did you read the first part of my post responding to HA issue?

Then I responded to the statement you made about back in the day. Many things has change since 'back in the day' and I was listing few!?

I don't understand where the confusion is coming from.

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by needfortruth

Did you read the first part of my post responding to HA issue?

Then I responded to the statement you made about back in the day. Many things has change since 'back in the day' and I was listing few!?

I don't understand where the confusion is coming from.

You implied that GMA changed his position on HA's weapons because of the Christian internal political rights. So I asked you if these weapons are in existence to protect these rights? Fair enough, No?