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[hannaalsayssa]

come to think about it they are not lebanese but either
a wahabbi follower
or a follower of an isareli agent
or like wj a follower of dope
so they atre technically lebanese by passports only

[Republican]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Shouldn't the new Lebanese government and HA, together, start peace negotiations with Israel that includes disarmament and integration within the army, in return of a basket of issues that include Shebaa, prisoners, Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, etc... like Syria is doing?

Wouldn't that be an excellent way to resolve the arms issue, along with many others. Wouldn't making a public declaration of such an initiative send the right message to the Lebanese citizen that have reservations against HA, and to the international community? Shouldn't that declaration be part of the new governments bayen? Wouldn't that be a good way to move the MOU forward and away from ambiguity?

Would HA agree???

No Ha wouldn't agree, and we wouldn't either.

You can keep your reservations against Hizballah till the end of time, No Disarmament.
There are many issues to be discussed and found a solution to, before disarmament could even be discussed. (some of the issues are, prisoners, occupied lands, palestinian refugees, a regime change, non-centralized governance (?), equal distribution of resources, balanced development, etc...).

No disarmament to a corrupt system.
Till then, I do not wish you luck in your campaign.

[Republican]

Originally Posted by JD DC

“The Issue of Hezballah arms is a matter of PRINCIPLE”
I Totally agree
“Back in the Day GMA used to be one of these People”
100% Joseph, GMA changed his Principles.
too bad

The issue of the Lebanese system is a matter of Principle, and not the the other way around.

No disarmament to a corrupt system.

[JD DC]

“The Issue of Hezballah arms is a matter of PRINCIPLE”
I Totally agree
“Back in the Day GMA used to be one of these People”
100% Joseph, GMA changed his Principles.
too bad

[Republican]

Originally Posted by proIsrael-nonIsraeli

I know you never doubted that but you also did not answer the question.

See, Israelis never talk about their honor because they know their own worth.

You on the other hand cannot shut up about it. People who do not know you well might even start thinking you are not so sure and desperately trying to convince yourself. I am sure those people are totally wrong.

See, because there's no honor in massacring civilians, occupying lands and displacing the natives.

[JD DC]

Republican,
"Corrupt" system in deed, sorry to tell you that YOU are the system; head of parliament with militants occupying Beirut streets.
YOU know nothing about Principles, Back in the Day GMA would have surely not considered your militia actions as INTISAR.

[PhoenixResurrection]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

I wholeheartedly agree that all should disarm.

Back when Syria left, no one had any arms to speak of except for HA and they insisted on refusing even to discuss their arms. Their blatant disregard to every other Lebanese has caused the race to arms that you spoke of in recent years, although it was Minor and not pronounced enough to sustain a civil war. It is HA's recent use of their weapons internally and politically, that will further accelerate that arms race and bring us to the brink of civil war.

It is about time to open both eyes and see that HA's arms have been recently a problem and an agent of destruction of Lebanon's future. Other parties and sects are reacting to HA's arms and their disregard to the rule of law and the sovereignty of the Lebanese state, and not the other way around. Focusing on the root cause of the problem, and underscoring the truth is not an obsession, it is a duty.

Just to set the records straight, back when syria left, many had arms to speak of; the syrian allies during the 90s didn't disarm, they just stored their weapons and started renewing their stock in 2005. Ditto for the fundamentalists and palestinians. It is inaccurate to present it as a sole reaction to HA's arms.

As for the agent of destruction of lebanon's future, it is the lack of maturity of our politicians, of transparency and of accountability. And they were elected by memory-challenged lebanese.

I'm not a fan of HA's weapons or any other parties' for that matter. But let's face it. The 14th feb. allied with HA in 2005 elections and in the resulting government under one specific motto: protecting the resistance and HA's weapons. To change their stances once they got what was needed from HA.
Talk about being used and thrown away like a tissue...
How do you expect this party to actually trust these people when discussing their disarmament.

As many have written, addressing HA's weapons requires the implementation of technical processes like defense strategies and such. But all of these are useless until a serious trustworthy dialog is launched - not the entertaining reality TV one we had- and our politicians change their modus operandi

[spacecreature]

Originally Posted by JD DC

Republican,
"Corrupt" system in deed, sorry to tell you that YOU are the system; head of parliament with militants occupying Beirut streets.
YOU know nothing about Principles, Back in the Day GMA would have surely not considered your militia actions as INTISAR.

Plz you are not on future Tv here, so stop talking about the streets of beirut. Where were you when sick people on the roof tops of buildings on the borders of "the streets of beirut" were targeting civilians? So when you talk remember that you are addressing a wider public here, with access to other media sources. So don't talk nonsense and expect positive feedback thank you very much. Plus we know what real militias act like, in case u need to refresh your memory, halba massacre took place not long ago! so plz shushh!

[TayyaRevolution]

Originally Posted by JD DC

Republican,
"Corrupt" system in deed, sorry to tell you that YOU are the system; head of parliament with militants occupying Beirut streets.
YOU know nothing about Principles, Back in the Day GMA would have surely not considered your militia actions as INTISAR.

Principles??

Ok, I won't sway off track, so I'll keep this within the context of subject for which the thread was intended.

Read the following:

Franklin Lamb: Who's Behind the Fighting in North Lebanon

The Rise of Fatah al-Islam (June/July 2007)

YouTube - Seymour Hersh on U.S. funding Lebanon and Gaza violence

t r u t h o u t | Seymour M. Hersh | The Redirection

http://forum.tayyar.org/521200-post221.html

Salafi-jihadism in Lebanon (January-March 2008)

:: moqavemat.ir - LF PSP militiamen training in Israel ::

LA Times Reports on Secure Plus - Blogging Beirut

Security Plus: the coverup for Hariri's armed infiltration in the Christians areas

:: moqavemat.ir - Hariri Denies Having Militia Facts Prove Opposite ::

And we saw the heavy PSP artillery on display only last month...

.........

Since we "know nothing about principles"... are the links above upholding the principles you "hold dearly" ?

[su2dod]

Originally Posted by Republican

No Ha wouldn't agree, and we wouldn't either.

You can keep your reservations against Hizballah till the end of time, No Disarmament.
There are many issues to be discussed and found a solution to, before disarmament could even be discussed. (some of the issues are, prisoners, occupied lands, palestinian refugees, a regime change, non-centralized governance (?), equal distribution of resources, balanced development, etc...).

No disarmament to a corrupt system.
Till then, I do not wish you luck in your campaign.

So the point of the weapons is also for regime change, non-centralized governance, equal distribution of resources, and balanced development??!!

I want a banana milkshake, with extra cream. I'll need a few B7s and a few RPGs, would you mind? No disarmament to an expensive Star bucks.
Its funny how the terrorists say they won't use their weapons against other Lebanese, but then they say they want to use their weapons for regime change and all that cr*p.