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View Poll Results: Are Hezbollah (and its weapons) protecting you from:
Socio-Economic injustice 19 7.36%
Israeli aggression 113 43.80%
Palestinian settlement 79 30.62%
All of the above 62 24.03%
None of the above 73 28.29%
Other 14 5.43%
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^what all of you's said.

The only difference between HezbAllah's weapons, and the weapons of the rest of Lebanon's political groups (both M8 and F14) is those weapons pointed at "israel". So whoever has an issue and continues pointing the finger for HezbAllah to disarm - ultimately wants to crush the arm that has defended Lebanon against "israel"...Ultimately wants the arm that has brought our ummeh dignity broken. The arm that has spilt blood for the soil of Lebanon - bas yala - call us Iranian - call us Rafada. Call us what you want - HezbAllah rafa3o raas ummetna. Bring in America and the rest of the world who want Lebanon to be like Iraq - do what they want, watch on, clap openly (and silently), while our nation is under attack in the air the sea and by land and our children and mothers have their bodies dismembered. HezbAllah will always be on the front line defending Lebanese soil against the zionist scum.

Like Zayn said, if HezbAllah as a resistance does not blend in well with your OWN vision of Lebanon - then say it doesnt blend with YOUR interests.

The soil of Lebanons mountains, plains and cities have HezbAllah's blood mixed with it. You'll never break the bond we have with our nation. We will always work for Lebanon - and we are here to stay.
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Can somebody tell me why opponents of Hezbollah constantly insist that their weapons are against "Lebanese" interests. Is Hezbollah not Lebanese?

Dear Opponents of Hezbollah,

Next time you want to describe whose interests Hezbollah is against, refrain from using "Lebanese" or "Lebanon's," instead say "my interests" or "[insert political party, family name, town, sect]'s interests."

I thank you in advance.
What's hilarious is that many of those who toss labels live abroad and are dual (or multi) citizens, yet they "think" that they have the right to classify others as "Lebanese" or not, and "working for Lebanese interest" or not

السيد نصرالله للنائب سعد الحريري: نحن لا نملك جنسية ثانية. لقد ولدنا هنا ونموت هنا وندفن هنا ونجوع هنا ونشبع هنا، فلا يزايدنَّ أحد علينا في وطنيتنا وانتمائنا
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Nations sign cluster-bomb ban,US and Russia refuse - Yahoo! News
Nations sign cluster-bomb ban,US and Russia refuse
The Bush administration has said that a comprehensive ban would hurt world security and endanger U.S. military cooperation on humanitarian work with countries that sign the accord.
Activists said ahead of the signing that they hope the treaty will nonetheless shame non-signers into shelving the weapons, as many did with land mines after a 1997 treaty banning them.
"Once you get half the world on board, its hard to ignore a ban," said Australian anti-cluster bomb campaigner Daniel Barty. "One of the things that really worked well with the land-mine treaty was stigmatization. No one really uses land mines," he said.
The anti-cluster bomb campaign gathered momentum after Israel's monthlong war against Hezbollah in 2006, when it scattered up to 4 million bomblets across Lebanon, according to U.N. figures.
"In southern Lebanon, for more than two years, children and the elderly have been victimized (by cluster munitions)," Lebanese Foreign Minister Fawzi Saloukh said.
Norway called a conference to ban cluster bombs in February 2007. In May, more than 100 countries agreed to ban cluster bombs within eight years.
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yesterday i was reading an old thread here in the forum w 7habet 2irja3 zaker shouwe bil posts about HA

question asked in 2005 by violin( member ) :do u think that if hizballah is disarmed then lebanon is an easy target for Israel ?

enno i hear all the way that the UN is enough to support lebanon
but can we really trust that ?
what are the dangers on "lebanon" if Hizballah keeps his weapons ?

plz try to give ur best coz i'm lost in all these stuff

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the answer from the admin ( X ) was :

Violin

Each year Israel receives billions of dollars from Jews all over the world and US government, they receive this help because “they are under attack from the terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah” (This is what they say)

Each year Hezbollah receives millions of dollars from Iran and others because they are fighting Israel (Alshaytan Alakbar)

Hezbollah, Lebanon, Syria and Iran say that Hezbollah can’t be disarmed because of Shebaa farms, they have to free the farms.

Israel withdrew from the south but remained in Shebaa, why? There is nothing special in Shebaa, they (Israel) can easily withdraw from there, that will put Hezbollah under heavy pressure from all over the world and mainly the UN.

In the past 12 months, there was 5 attacks from Hezbollah on Shebaa, it resulted one death and some injuries, most of the attacks were not heavy attacks that will force an army to withdraw.

Hezbollah, from the money they receive in support of their resistance are building schools and hospitals in the south, in addition to the money they pay to the martyrs families and lot other social help, as a result their popularity is so big knowing that the people of the south are so poor.

So both sides, Israel and Hezbollah are so happy with the current conditions, there Is not a single attack inside Israeli territories from the south, knowing that Palestinians organizations want to launch attacks on Israel but can’t do that because of Hezbollah, so indirectly Hezbollah is protecting the Israeli borders.

Please note that I pay big respect to all the martyrs of Hezbollah and all the fighters who think they are really fighting Israel, while the truth is that Hezbollah’s leaders are helping Israel (in the way I mentioned above)

I am not saying they are Israeli agents, but maybe they are doing all this indirectly.
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another answer by omega _ Leb :

on the contrary my freind...once hizbullah is disarmed and the lebanese military takes over it is much safer for lebanon....only the lebanese army is qualifies to defend lebanon, not to mention that the lebanese army represents the goverment and not hizbullah
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we can see now how l 2afkar tghayaret 180 degree after the MoU ( 2006 ) ,
and the MoU gives the green light to HA , so now HA is really helping israel ?

X how ur view point about Ha changed ? and is still HA helping israel ?

we are criticizing jumblat , w na7hna mich 2a7hsan mino bi ktir
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يطل سماحة حجة الاسلام والمسلمين الدكتور السيد حسن نصرالله غداً عبر شاشة عملاقة عند الساعة الثامنة متناولاً ما يجري في غزة..
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Top Israeli officer says Hizbullah will be destroyed in five days 'next time'
Artillery chief repeats threat to hit civilian targets even harder than in 2006

By Andrew Wander
Daily Star staff
Wednesday, December 17, 2008



BEIRUT: Israel is developing plans to "destroy" Hizbullah in an armed onslaught of such severity that it would require no more than five days to complete, a senior Israeli military officer has said. The commander of Israel's artillery division, which fired an average of 5,000 shells a day into Lebanon during the summer war in 2006, said that in any future conflict his men would "fire to destroy."

"No village will be immune," Brigadier General Michael Ben-Baruch told The Jerusalem Post newspaper. "We will give them about a 12-hour warning and then strike back."

His comments are the latest in a series of saber-rattling interviews in which senior Israeli military figures have outlined their plans for the next assault on Lebanon.

The tone of the rhetoric coming out of Israel became so severe during the summer that Prime Minister Fouad Siniora complained to the United Nations about the threats.

A recurrent theme in the rhetoric has been the idea that in any future conflict, a wider range of Lebanon's civilian and military infrastructure would be considered a fair target for a disproportionate Israeli response.

"In the last war, we made a distinction between Hizbullah targets and Lebanese national targets," an anonymous general in Israel was quoted as saying, contradicting overwhelming evidence to the contrary. "Now that Hizbullah is in the government - with veto power in the cabinet - there is no longer a reason to make this distinction, since a Hizbullah attack against Israel is essentially a Lebanese attack against Israel."

The remarks prompted a frigid response from a senior Lebanese Armed Forces officer contacted by The Daily Star. "We don't comment on the enemy's intentions," the officer said. "They have been saying this for a long time. They have always been aggressive as far as Lebanon is concerned. We are not surprised."

The war plans outlined by Israeli officials appear superficially similar to those they tried to employ in 2006, with intensive aerial bombardment followed by a major ground offensive pushing up to the Litani river. But they say the speed of any ground advance will be much quicker in the next war.

Last week, the Israeli military conducted a major training exercise in the Golan Heights in a practice run for a potential war against the combined forces of Syria and Hizbullah.

Israel's chief of staff, Lieutenant General Gabi Ashkenazi, has reportedly recommended that the Israeli cabinet rubberstamp plans to launch an all-out assault on Lebanon's infrastructure in case of another conflict.

During the 2006 war, which has been described as a "missed opportunity" by Israel's top brass, hundreds of roads and bridges were targeted. The Israeli military claimed this was because they were used by Hizbullah. In any future war there will be no such justification required because the Jewish state now considers the Shiite party to be a part of the Lebanese government.

The newspaper also revealed that some senior military figures in Israel are pushing for an unprovoked "preemptive" assault on Hizbullah. But it says this is not "likely," given that others seem willing to bide their time until Hizbullah launches an attack of its own, something which many in Israel consider to be inevitable.

Since 2006, when Israel was unable to deal a fatal blow to Hizbullah, the group is thought to have strengthened its arsenal.

When contacted by The Daily Star, Hizbullah spokesman Hussein Rahhal said the party was aware of the new Israeli threats. "We are studying these comments, and we have nothing to say about this at this time," he said.
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Top Israeli officer says Hizbullah will be destroyed in five days 'next time'
In 2006 they promised us to do it in few hours...I guess that their "might" is regressing...Since they are admitting being weaker than in 2006
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Top Israeli officer says Hizbullah will be destroyed in five days 'next time'
Artillery chief repeats threat to hit civilian targets even harder than in 2006

By Andrew Wander
Daily Star staff
Wednesday, December 17, 2008



BEIRUT: Israel is developing plans to "destroy" Hizbullah in an armed onslaught of such severity that it would require no more than five days to complete,

When contacted by The Daily Star, Hizbullah spokesman Hussein Rahhal said the party was aware of the new Israeli threats. "We are studying these comments, and we have nothing to say about this at this time," he said.
that is the best 3edeyye jam3ett 14feb will ever hear.
ye3ni these kind of statements makes their day
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that is the best 3edeyye jam3ett 14feb will ever hear.
ye3ni these kind of statements makes their day
Israel will fight HA till the last 14Feber...
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Israel will fight HA till the last 14Feber...
look man fee co-ordination btw HA and Quwet Berri , so they fight israel and we take care of 14 hmar:D
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